The Zero-point

reply to post by tgidkp

Please don't panic, tgidkp. I'm not well versed in hermeticism, the occult, religion and it's the first time i hear "cellular automata" but yes, that's interesting... I'll probably dream about pyramidal structures in a couple of hours.

Here's an amazing presentation by Nassim Haramein called "The Cosmological Constant and the Schwarzschild Proton". He's telling us is that we are all one:

reply to post by Itisnowagain

What you call "nothing" can be called "something" or "that" and ultimately, nothing will change. These are all valid statements: the flute is something, air is something, you are, i am, i am you and you are me...

reply to post by D1ss1dent


If the nothingness is found life becomes lighter. Everyone longs for the nothingness. It is what the seeker seeks. It wants to rest in peace. Being longs to be.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


What you call nothingness could be called Anything. Within nothingness, things appear. Within silence, noise appear. within staticity, dynamicity appear. within non-thought, thoughts appear, etc., ad infinitum.

In my example, S0 could be compared as the smallest particle. This particle contains infinite potentials. It can create an infinite amount of infinities.

Ultimately, what does it means?

Language and logic will NEVER EVER be able to see reality as it is.

What is above, God, the Purushottama, the all-seeing eye, is infinite and You are That.

reply to post by D1ss1dent


S1; AB - 2
S2: ABA - 3
S3: ABAAB - 5
S4: ABAABABA - 8
S5: ABAABABAABAAB -13
S6: ABAABABAABAABABAABABA - 21
S7: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAAB - 34
S8: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABA - 55
S9: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABAABA
ABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAAB -89
Sx: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABA
BAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABA
ABABAABAABABAABABA

... 144

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

What you call nothingness could be called Anything.

edit on 22-12-2012 by D1ss1dent because: typo

Emptiness is forming. The form is the thingness but is shaped by the formlessness.
The nothingness cannot be called (named) a thing of any kind.

Naming is the the root of the particular. Naming is done presently. The present is made of formlessness forming this. This is nothing appearing as form.
The naming is the separation of the whole into parts (particular) - which makes 'things'.

There are no 'things' - there is only this. And this is nothing appearing.

First Chapter of Tao Te Ching.

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Language and logic will NEVER EVER be able to see reality as it is.

Language and logic cannot 'see' or 'hear'. Real reality does not appear, it is what is 'seeing' and hearing' the appearance. It is the all seeing, all knowing presence.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


nice poem itsnowagain. Will you drop it into a OP in philosophical section?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

nice poem itsnowagain. Will you drop it into a OP in philosophical section?

The Tao Te Ching written by Lao-tzu from a translation by S. Mitchell can be found in full on line - it has 81 chapters, it is well worth a read.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

The Tao Te Ching written by Lao-tzu from a translation by S. Mitchell can be found in full on line - it has 81 chapters, it is well worth a read.

are you able to create a new thread and link it in the new thread. This thread isnt the right context subject for discussing it.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


I have used the first chapter of the Tao Te Ching to clarify what i wrote.
I don't want to write a thread about it.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

You call it emptiness or nothingness, I could call it "that", others will call it God, the absolute, etc. or say that it cannot be named. In any cases, everyone is right.

reply to post by D1ss1dent


Yes i agree but you stated earlier it could be any 'thing'. It is not a 'thing'.
If one is believing in 'things' one gets lost.

There is form but no thing 's'.
The form is formed from formlessness.
When the formlessness (nothing) is found, it is obvious that there is only the one form. The one form is formed out of nothing.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Then let's simply call it "that" or be silent

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

The let's simply call it "that" or be silent

The silence is that. Any appearance is the forming of that.
If you demand that it be called 'that' that is fine.
'That' is the formlessness and 'that' is the form. It is nothing - zero.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

I'd prefer to say: "That is that.".

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

I'd prefer to say: "That is that.".

Ok, you call it that.
But this thread is about the zero point and i was just pointing to the zero which is 'that'.
Never mind.