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Possible reformed Union Modern USSR

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posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:58 AM
Good Or Bad ?

Russia wants union with its former territories

Russia sought yesterday to expand its influence over former territories during integration talks that Washington has cast as a bid to “re-Sovietise” the region.

President Vladimir Putin met separately with the leaders of Belarus and Armenia before engaging the head of resource-rich Kazakhstan about ways to more closely bind the neighbours’ economies.
He also attended a collective security meeting that resolved to create a Moscow-led air defence unit that would focus its activities on the regions surrounding war-torn Afghanistan.
Western attempts “to force other nations to accept their own standards can lead to the most serious circumstances,” Putin said in a trademark swipe at the United States.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:12 AM
reply to post by ANDERSON23

wow, never thought i would live to read that.
That could be a game changer, and put the U.S. in

would a move like this put us back into a cold war as we
were in the late 70's early 80's?

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:17 AM
Cold War era?

uhm no, Russia is fairly dependant econimically on the EU, so my best guess is, this move is to keep China and the USA in Check. I don't think, that the red tide will hit Europe anytime soon

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:23 AM
The USSR never disbanded, it only REORGANISED and RESTRUCTURED.

Putin ex KGB, current Primeminister/presisdent/whatever LOL.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:31 AM
reply to post by severdsoul

My personal opinion is that the cold war never ended it just abated......

we still are in the build up of arms for example the Ballistic Missile Defence programme which has gone on for longer then most think, Russia plans to test 13 ICBM's next year India and Pakistan are always at it, conflict there can easily drag in other players, this move I think would mainly be for economic strength and to try and cut of western influence from Russian borders.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:31 AM
I can see why the Russians would want it, no that they would gain much but, as more of the old USSR drift towards NATO and others to China you can understand why they are nervous. China in particular is going to be problem for Russia down the road.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:53 AM
Not good.
It repeats the history of the early twentieth century, when Russia splintered into a dozen different pieces and then pulled itself together.
All past history shows that the threat of Russian domination of Europe does not go away.
The Russians sent their armies far to the west against Napoleon, and for the next half-century they were intervening so much that Russia was nicknamed "the gendarme of Europe".
We all know about post-World War2.
Looking towards the future, any links between Russia and the European Union must lead to Russia taking leadership of Europe as a whole. Apart from the economic power (in gas supplies, etc), the voting power of their population would be enough to give then control of any democratic institutions. (the annual farce of the Eurovision song contest is a good pointer to the way this would work).
It all looks like Deja Vu. Here we go again.

edit on 20-12-2012 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:54 AM
reply to post by MrSpad

I agree they must feel like they being isolated although china and Russia share a good relationship currently until economics are threatened, any friend can become a foe

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 09:00 AM
reply to post by DISRAELI

its like a never ending cycle we are supposed to learn from past mistakes to make good of the present and future, however it seems most cultures and society strives to be the dominant one this will inevitably cause conflicts Physical and diplomatic, until one tops the other there will never be the common consensus to live aside each other in harmony.

a saying I follow is beware of nasty things pretending to be nice.....

as it goes every one is always out for there own its all smoke and mirrors

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 10:02 AM
hmmm... nobody on ATS knows nuthin' about Russia.
Zionist media and Communist [American ] schools win again.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 10:10 AM
reply to post by tinhattribunal

enlighten us with your knowledge if you may

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 10:15 AM
Cue the round of large ones at the club, as the Military Industrial and Banking leaders celebrate another win!

The US has really been ramping up the old fear about Russia a lot lately, and a new "Cold War" would sure mean good business for some.

It's ironic that the USA seems to have become the new "Soviet" state, what with all the "Security" to protect it's citizens and state secrets!

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 10:24 AM
reply to post by Britguy

big business in scaring people and selling arms if a threat wasn't there, there would be no need for arms

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 10:42 AM
Well when we start getting self sufficient at extracting gas by "Fracking". Putin will need his rich little neighbours to bail him out of the crap financially
. A bit touchy when it comes to gas are our russian friends.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 12:41 PM
reply to post by TheDoctor46

Didn't russia threaten to stop gas supply to Europe before ?

as for fracking its a bit flawed in the notion of causing tremors, we will always be dependent on others to support ourselves I don't think there is much that we sustain ourselves with any more however I may be wrong on that so apologies in advance if it is wrong

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 05:10 PM
No anderson i agree with you. Were not self sufficient at anything anymore. Seeing as we used to rule the world with our different colonies its sad what we have become. Yea russia did threaten to close the pipeline a few years ago. What was that conspiricy years ago about russia wanting to put a pipeline through poland. And they refused. And the next thing there was a plane crash killing quite a few members of the polish royal family (foul play by the russians its said as a warning). Who knows where fracking will take us. There doing that not all that far off me, And theres a big uproar about that because theres been a few tremours

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 05:15 PM

Originally posted by ANDERSON23
reply to post by MrSpad

I agree they must feel like they being isolated although china and Russia share a good relationship currently until economics are threatened, any friend can become a foe

China and Russia will be directly competing with each other for everything. Down the road I see a weakened Russia in NATO.

posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 05:22 PM
I've always thought that the USSR would recombine into a little different type of union. A few states may not but most will. When the Soviet Union broke up the other states that broke up were under the impression that the USA would help them. HaHa. Some businesses went there and in the end most people have less money.

I guess they were led to believe a lie too.

posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 07:54 AM
Bringing about a new style USSR has got to be the aim of Russia long term if it is to carry the clout of old.

The old Soviets sort of planted the seeds (not to mention the energy reliance issues) by settling all those millions of Russians in the neighbouring states, giving them leverage in politics and the economies. They were always going to be useful in restoring influence in the Empire.

The big prize is Ukraine. Belarus, Armenia and Moldova are always going to go Russian. Forget the Baltics, they are lost. The southern Stans are still vey tied in with modern Russia as it is. Ukraine has been the big prize and even recently looked like becoming part of the EU and NATO, suddenly the Russian push back the Orange Revolution, install their man in charge, renegotiate the Black Sea fleet deal in Sevastopal and infiltrate the apparatus of power.

I was reading only a few days ago how the Ukranian police and secret services are already integrating with Russia's which gives a sign that Ukraine is back in the fold.

To be honest the best thing that could have happened for a new style USSR is the election of Obama, he is more understanding of Russia's area of influence or near abroad as they like to call it. I'm convinced he's done a deal with Putin over Ukraine, something like - yes you have your land back on the condition you let the US/Israel take out the Iranian nuke threat, oh and we both reap the rewards from the spike in oil prices

There was a quote from a couple of years ago by Putin or Medvedev when referring to Ukraine, something along the lines of - "It's not actually a real country"

posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:41 AM
I for one entirely and whole heartedly support the formation of a U.S.S.R, the only country to help my people during a crisis...

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