President Obama Speaks Today: Directly Addressing Gun Control, Assault Weapons, and Mental Health

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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Hi ATS.

Given the current political climate, and current trending issues and passions, I am somewhat surprised that nobody has posted this yet.

This afternoon, roughly ten hours ago, President Obama gave a press conference, directly addressing some key issues - issues that have been widely speculated about and will probably continue to be twisted, interpreted, analyzed, and dissected over the coming few months.

Here is the statement from the press conference, as given in the James S Brady press briefing room - how's that for a bit of subtle Orwellian sub-context?


THE PRESIDENT: Good morning, everybody. It’s now been five days since the heartbreaking tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut; three days since we gathered as a nation to pray for the victims. And today, a few more of the 20 small children and six educators who were taken from us will be laid to rest.

We may never know all the reasons why this tragedy happened. We do know that every day since, more Americans have died of gun violence. We know such violence has terrible consequences for our society. And if there is even one thing that we can do to prevent any of these events, we have a deep obligation -- all of us -- to try.

Over these past five days, a discussion has reemerged as to what we might do not only to deter mass shootings in the future, but to reduce the epidemic of gun violence that plagues this country every single day. And it’s encouraging that people of all different backgrounds and beliefs and political persuasions have been willing to challenge some old assumptions and change longstanding positions.

That conversation has to continue. But this time, the words need to lead to action.

We know this is a complex issue that stirs deeply held passions and political divides. And as I said on Sunday night, there’s no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. We’re going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun. We’re going to need to look more closely at a culture that all too often glorifies guns and violence. And any actions we must take must begin inside the home and inside our hearts.

But the fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing. The fact that we can’t prevent every act of violence doesn’t mean we can’t steadily reduce the violence, and prevent the very worst violence.

That’s why I’ve asked the Vice President to lead an effort that includes members of my Cabinet and outside organizations to come up with a set of concrete proposals no later than January -- proposals that I then intend to push without delay. This is not some Washington commission. This is not something where folks are going to be studying the issue for six months and publishing a report that gets read and then pushed aside. This is a team that has a very specific task, to pull together real reforms right now. I asked Joe to lead this effort in part because he wrote the 1994 Crime Bill that helped law enforcement bring down the rate of violent crime in this country. That plan -- that bill also included the assault weapons ban that was publicly supported at the time by former Presidents including Ronald Reagan.

The good news is there’s already a growing consensus for us to build from. A majority of Americans support banning the sale of military-style assault weapons. A majority of Americans support banning the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips. A majority of Americans support laws requiring background checks before all gun purchases, so that criminals can’t take advantage of legal loopholes to buy a gun from somebody who won’t take the responsibility of doing a background check at all.

I urge the new Congress to hold votes on these measures next year in a timely manner. And considering Congress hasn’t confirmed a director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in six years -- the agency that works most closely with state and local law enforcement to keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals -- I’d suggest that they make this a priority early in the year.

Look, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This country has a strong tradition of gun ownership that’s been handed down from generation to generation. Obviously across the country there are regional differences. There are differences between how people feel in urban areas and rural areas. And the fact is the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible -- they buy their guns legally and they use them safely, whether for hunting or sport shooting, collection or protection.

But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war. I’m willing to bet that they don’t think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas -- that an unbalanced man shouldn’t be able to get his hands on a military-style assault rifle so easily; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone’s criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show; that if we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown -- or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day.

Since Friday morning, a police officer was gunned down in Memphis, leaving four children without their mother. Two officers were killed outside a grocery store in Topeka. A woman was shot and killed inside a Las Vegas casino. Three people were shot inside an Alabama hospital. A four-year-old was caught in a drive-by in Missouri, and taken off life support just yesterday. Each one of these Americans was a victim of the everyday gun violence that takes the lives of more than 10,000 Americans every year -- violence that we cannot accept as routine.

So I will use all the powers of this office to help advance efforts aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. We won’t prevent them all -- but that can’t be an excuse not to try. It won’t be easy -- but that can't be an excuse not to try.

And I'm not going to be able to do it by myself. Ultimately if this effort is to succeed it’s going to require the help of the American people -- it’s going to require all of you. If we're going to change things, it’s going to take a wave of Americans -- mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, pastors, law enforcement, mental health professionals -- and, yes, gun owners -- standing up and saying “enough” on behalf of our kids.

It will take commitment and compromise, and most of all, it will take courage. But if those of us who were sent here to serve the public trust can summon even one tiny iota of the courage those teachers, that principal in Newtown summoned on Friday -- if cooperation and common sense prevail -- then I’m convinced we can make a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place for our children to learn and to grow.


It bears mention, Political speeches can be reproduced in full.

This was followed by a Q&A that I have omitted due to space constraints.

There it is ATS. What say you?

~Heff




posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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instead of what I feared, a final removal of our last bastion of defense against an over bearing government....I see this as a two front proposal to not only setup the weakening of the 2nd amendment but allow the government to determine 'who is sane'......Welcome Brave New World = population that is chemically controlled and 1984 in which the population is now reporting all strange behavior....This is not a good scenario at all, and I see the following weeks being the same as just after 9/11 in which anyone that opposes the extreme measure they bring forth will be demonized as did the opponents of the patriot act.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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As unfortunate and reprehensible as it sounds, unless it involves bailing out some cronies from their self-induced fiscal purgatory, partisan politics will render in vain any attempt to fix anything. President Obama's desire for a resolve to this issue will utimately fail and the ills of this land and it's people that brought an early death to 28 poor souls will probably go unaddressed for a considerable time, if ever.

It saddens me to feel as I do, but the reality of today's political arena is such that the lives lost will end up in the long run less important than personal, bought-and-paid-for agendas of those elected to represent, serve and protect the citizens of the United States of America.

And that, kind sir, makes me want to puke.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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I have no issue really with banning of fully auto or select fire with full auto capacity weapons or making it harder for people to buy guns as long as they actually can still buy guns. Although its not really that easy to go to a store and buy a gun they do background checks and stuff where I live and you have to get a Dr evaluation and all kinds of stuff for a concealed weapon permit and take all these classes.

The problem is that banning any type of weapon wont stop gun violence at all how much of the recent stuff that happened was someone using a full auto gun, half of those were done with pistols, so we should ban pistols now? What is next that is the problem its a slipery slope, yes there is no point for someone to have a full auto gun other then they are fun to shoot, there are plenty of reason I could see for high capacity mags so banning those is really stupid.

I just think there is plenty of other things they could do that actually make sense and wouldn't piss a bunch of people off and ban any weapons that would be more beneficial then what they will end up doing. Plenty of poeple get stabbed so we should ban knives? Makes no sense, I can kill you wish a kitchen knife just as easy as a switch blade but switch blades are illegal in most places does it stop criminals from getting them and killing people with them? NO I can order one off the internet.

I can easily turn a regular semi auto .22 rifle into a full auto and just about any other rifle so ban it or not anyone who wants to turn a rifle into full auto and kill a bunch people nothing will stop them, if they don't have a gun they will steal one, if they cant steal one they can kill someone with a knife or with their hands and get one. If crazy people want to do things they will find a way to do it banning something will not stop...

Isn't it against the law to kill people, didn't we ban that a long time ago, damn so why are poeple still killing people?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree...We have seen this song and dance before. With these scenarios, it allows extreme measures from the shear marketing campaign of the proponents. Anyone that comes out against any one of the measured that will be unveiled will be slapped in the face with these childrens' faces or the faces of the families being told, 'you want to tell these parents you are against protecting other parents children'.....this is the type of propaganda that allowed the homeland security to be born overnight and TSA gropping to continue to this day.....in a month, if this doesn't occur, I will formally apologize....unlike the nibiru and elenin doomsayers.
edit on 19-12-2012 by pointr97 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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reply to post by Hefficide
 
Although I do not own or wish to own an automatic assault rifle or accompanying multi-round clip, I feel that if someone is able to pass a background check and wants one they should be able to purchase it- end of story. Even if a ban were passed criminals will always find a way to alter weapons in a way that enables them to become fully automatic, or will smuggle in arms that already are. With the right connections if a mentally unstable person really wanted to get their hands on one they would anyway, regardless of what laws are passed.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
I have no issue really with banning of fully auto or select fire with full auto capacity weapons or making it harder for people to buy guns as long as they actually can still buy guns. Although its not really that easy to go to a store and buy a gun they do background checks and stuff where I live and you have to get a Dr evaluation and all kinds of stuff for a concealed weapon permit and take all these classes.

The problem is that banning any type of weapon wont stop gun violence at all how much of the recent stuff that happened was someone using a full auto gun, half of those were done with pistols, so we should ban pistols now? What is next that is the problem its a slipery slope, yes there is no point for someone to have a full auto gun other then they are fun to shoot, there are plenty of reason I could see for high capacity mags so banning those is really stupid.

I just think there is plenty of other things they could do that actually make sense and wouldn't piss a bunch of people off and ban any weapons that would be more beneficial then what they will end up doing. Plenty of poeple get stabbed so we should ban knives? Makes no sense, I can kill you wish a kitchen knife just as easy as a switch blade but switch blades are illegal in most places does it stop criminals from getting them and killing people with them? NO I can order one off the internet.

I can easily turn a regular semi auto .22 rifle into a full auto and just about any other rifle so ban it or not anyone who wants to turn a rifle into full auto and kill a bunch people nothing will stop them, if they don't have a gun they will steal one, if they cant steal one they can kill someone with a knife or with their hands and get one. If crazy people want to do things they will find a way to do it banning something will not stop...

Isn't it against the law to kill people, didn't we ban that a long time ago, damn so why are poeple still killing people?


This I agree with, controlling weapons, whatever they happen to be and at what ever level of damage capacity, it is as if you put a bandaid on a sucking chest wound....it might allow the lungs to re-inflate, but it comes no where close to solving the real issue.....In this scenario, as bad as it was, a man with a spork could have gone into a school with 5 and 6 year olds and done as much damage, they have the ability at that age to fend off a dragonfly. There aren't enough faculty to mount a proper resistance with the brown stinky stuff hits the spiny round thing due to them being spread out and unaware.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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As per usual, the amount of pressure that TPTB have been putting on getting everyone to feel "emotional" about this issue is overwhelming and overbearing, to say the least.

See, it's a psychological fact that once you attach an emotion to a "thing," it is very difficult to think completely rationally about said "thing."

The mind will do all kinds of dances to keep itself convinced that the reason for the emotion is valid (even if it is not) and that it is the right way to think.

They know this, and they play on it, to get people emotionally involved as much as possible.

Not saying there isn't a need for some kind of change or changes, but to do so out of a knee-jerk reaction to an emtional trauma is not logical. it's not rational. it's mob-justice.

That emotional play is VERY apparent in his speech, and it's VERY apparent in the MSM constantly pushing the "emotional horror" of the event at every turn.

Is it intentional or for a nefarious purpose? Can't say the answer to that. I have my own thoughts on the subject, but there's no need to bring that to the fore.

What IS apparent is that they ARE playing the emotion card (notice how they keep saying things along the lines of, "we must do this for the kids.. for the children...") and that is making more and more people unable to think rationally about all of this.

And that's what really sickens me.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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and everyone gets a star, because this is a real debate that needs to occur....not just lip service to one party line or the other.
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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*beezzer shakes head*

America wants this. I can't believe it, but America actually wants this! We have tens of thousands of people wanting to curtail free speech with the Westboro petition, we have even more wanting to restrict/manipulate the 2nd Amendment!

This is Obama's New America.

I don't like it.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
*beezzer shakes head*

America wants this. I can't believe it, but America actually wants this! We have tens of thousands of people wanting to curtail free speech with the Westboro petition, we have even more wanting to restrict/manipulate the 2nd Amendment!

This is Obama's New America.

I don't like it.


The scenario was so bad that now even hardline gun activists here in arizona are calling for gun control....it was what they needed, because Aurora just didn't get the response 'they' wanted. Conspiracy or not, don't care, but it is too much of a coincidence with all the strange info coming out.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by pointr97
reply to post by GoalPoster
 


I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree...We have seen this song and dance before. With these scenarios, it allows extreme measures from the shear marketing campaign of the proponents. Anyone that comes out against any one of the measured that will be unveiled will be slapped in the face with these childrens' faces or the faces of the families being told, 'you want to tell these parents you are against protecting other parents children'.....this is the type of propaganda that allowed the homeland security to be born overnight and TSA gropping to continue to this day.....in a month, if this doesn't occur, I will formally apologize....unlike the nibiru and elenin doomsayers.
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A appreciate and respect your disagreement with my point of view, and I will be delighted and somewhat astounded if anything substantive gets done. If it does, I shall be the first to acknowledge you were right and I was wrong, and while doing that I will be the happiest wrong-guy on the planet.

For one of the few times in my five decades on this sphere, I hope not to be the victor.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Lets put the dumbest, most insane person to ever be Vice President, in charge of deciding what's shall be deemed insane, crazy, or unbalanced.

And a commie to boot.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by pointr97

Originally posted by beezzer
*beezzer shakes head*

America wants this. I can't believe it, but America actually wants this! We have tens of thousands of people wanting to curtail free speech with the Westboro petition, we have even more wanting to restrict/manipulate the 2nd Amendment!

This is Obama's New America.

I don't like it.


The scenario was so bad that now even hardline gun activists here in arizona are calling for gun control....it was what they needed, because Aurora just didn't get the response 'they' wanted. Conspiracy or not, don't care, but it is too much of a coincidence with all the strange info coming out.


Social engineering at it's finest!



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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We shouldn't worry about gun control. We should worry about IDIOT control. Not everyone who suffers with poor mental health are murderers. And the lunacy that making guns harder to acquire will prevent gun related deaths (or murders in general) makes me want to slam my head in a brick wall.

America has outlawed drugs, yet people still take drugs. I can't legally buy coc aine but I can still get a hold of it and use it. Same with guns. You're taking guns out of honest peoples hands. That's all gun control does. You honestly think that the majority of guns used in murders are legally acquired guns? Nope, they're stolen or bought illegally via the black market.

What essentially happens is that you take guns away from law abiding citizens and give the criminals who can get fully auto guns an advantage. When a criminal thinks, "This guy looks like he's packing" will more then likely skip that person and head on over to someone who doesn't look like they're carrying anything. It's the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) principle on a smaller scale.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by GoalPoster

Originally posted by pointr97
reply to post by GoalPoster
 


I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree...We have seen this song and dance before. With these scenarios, it allows extreme measures from the shear marketing campaign of the proponents. Anyone that comes out against any one of the measured that will be unveiled will be slapped in the face with these childrens' faces or the faces of the families being told, 'you want to tell these parents you are against protecting other parents children'.....this is the type of propaganda that allowed the homeland security to be born overnight and TSA gropping to continue to this day.....in a month, if this doesn't occur, I will formally apologize....unlike the nibiru and elenin doomsayers.
edit on 19-12-2012 by pointr97 because: (no reason given)


A appreciate and respect your disagreement with my point of view, and I will be delighted and somewhat astounded if anything substantive gets done. If it does, I shall be the first to acknowledge you were right and I was wrong, and while doing that I will be the happiest wrong-guy on the planet.

For one of the few times in my five decades on this sphere, I hope not to be the victor.


I appreciate your opinion, and hope I for one am in the wrong and that we as a society come to try and resolve the real problem here, not just the tool used to cause harm but try to address the desire to do harm....and I in my 4 decades couldn't tell you where we should start, that will be for much more intelligent minds than mine....However, I do know that it isn't the weapon that is the issue, it is just the easy scape goat.

I honestly wish we had more shrinks floating around here that could give us a bit of insight to these scenarios....hint hint.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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What weapons of war is he referring to?

My AR15 is not built for war. It is not the same weapon I was trained to use in the Army. It is not a machine gun.
High capacity magazines are not a problem. And in Connecticut they are already a banned item so the issue must be that Obama and the anti gun crowd are just looking for whatever they can get.

Time for me to buy a few more Pmags.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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As a fervent defender of the Constitution, complete with it's amendments, and a natural, U.S. citizen, I implore our elected officials to consider this:

1) Ban nothing.
2) Enact NO new gun law, that only affects the law-abiding.
3) Don't Tread on Me!

But what I would like to see them do, is this:

1) Create a National System for Concealed Carry Permits. Not a gun registry. But a common sense set of guidelines and requirements, that will authorize the recipient to purchase ANY gun that he deems necessary for his region.
2) Reinstate Constitutional Carry, associated with the new NCCP system.
3) Strengthen laws that deter crime.
4) Increase punishments for those that break laws.
5) Increase the availability of mental health services. But equally fund the science to investigate and understand the issues that lead to these tragedies.
6) Punish those who incite fear in the masses, with lies, mis-information and propaganda! If it's illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, when there isn't one, then it should be equally against the law, to spread fear with nonsense.

Upon reading the OP's quote, of President Obama's speech, I find the piece well written and able to arouse hope. At face value, it makes complete sense. As a gun owner, I do have absolute compassion and empathy for ALL of the families, that must try to understand and ultimately find a way to cope, with these senseless acts. The attempt to comprehend it alone, must be overwhelming, for even the most forgiving mind! My heart aches, and goes out along with my prayers, to all of those affected by this and every other brutal, cowardly act.

We must make every effort to recognize and deal with these perpetrators, BEFORE their desires can be carried out. And, while we diligently seek for a proficient way to do just that, we must strengthen ALL of our defenses, against such things...And not, tear many of them down.


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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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This is just political rhetoric to placate the anti gun segment of the electorate.
Nothing will be done and no weapons will be confiscated.

Guns and shooting sports are BIG business and their lobbyist hold sway in DC; not to mention the huge NRA lobby.


All this "they're gonna take my guns" BS is so lame and predictable.
You can start worrying when the manufacturers shut down. Ain't gonna happen though!
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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Not sure quite what to think of this. I tend to try to wait for the details and get alarmed only when something actually happens, so this motion vs progress isn't upsetting me too much yet. I am a gun owner but really can't fathom a need for personal assault weapons no matter how many episodes of Falling Skies or Walking Dead I watch. But that's neither here nor there. Plus, I believe we'd probably get better results if they kept a closer eye on the legal drug pushers...the pharmas and the doctors that pimp for them, because the thing other than guns that most of these shooters have in common is...





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