A strange review for a movie called "Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre"

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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
there is a sandy hook in new jersey

probably lots of them in the country

not impressed


Go to Radioreference.com and listen to the police banner of the event. (www.radioreference.com...)

At 30:20 they cite the suspected vehicle license plate 872 YEO as belonging to Christopher A Rodia.

This same car is presented on reuters and foxnews as the vehicle of the killer (adam lanza's) mother.
(www.google.com...:en-US
fficial&channel=fflb&biw=1360&bih=646&tbm=isch&tbnid=8kc7wmST sBwcCM:&imgrefurl=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/19/medical-examiner-seeks-genetic-clues-to-connecticut-school-gunman/%3Futm_source%3Dfeedburner%26 utm_medium%3Dfeed%26utm_campaign%3DFeed%253A%2Bfoxnews%252Fmost-popular%2B%28Internal%2B-%2BMost%2BPopular%2BContent%29&docid=uqozxObKHRNztM&imgurl=ht tp://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/World/lanza_car_reuters.jpg&w=660&h=371&ei=zirVUKnZMYiDqQGT1oHQAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=4&vpy=139&dur=1016&h ovh=168&hovw=300&tx=196&ty=59&sig=101546951771005861212&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=250&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:88)

scroll down it is on the right hand side of the page and the plate says 872 YEO . . . .

Oh and former friends of Lanza are saying he had a website dedicated to the devil

'I am the devil': Former classmate reveals school gunman had 'online devil worshiping page'
(www.dailymail.co.uk...)

What the F? There is a thread about this that is currently closed and under review by the mods





Decide for yourself folks . . . .
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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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This is my very first post. I've been a 'lurker' since Aurora happened.
I've been reading all of the threads related to Newtown. (GREAT work everyone...)

On one of the Newtown massacre threads, a poster pointed out that they had a suspicion of a moral code in secret societies to the effect of: If the information regarding the crime is shared beforehand, that it absolves offender of further guilt (paraphrasing, sorry I don't have the link to that exact quote, ATS thread. This comment had been made in reference to symbols communicated in the Batman film, and preceding trailers which included the word, 'Aurora' in a screenshot. The idea being communicated (again, paraphrasing original) was that if intended victim is given sufficient warning, even via symbolic language, coding, the offender is not culpable .

To take that a step further, there is a concept in ancient Roman law, which states (translated)-no crime, no punishment.

In this way of thinking, one could be absolved of horrendous acts, just by dropping hints beforehand what the game plan is going to involve .

I've also been reading the 'what else was going on in financial news'? comments, and mention in an ATS thread of the possibility (not sure if it was finally verified or debunked) of both James Holmes father Robert and Adam Lanza's father Peter being thought to have ties to the unfolding LIBOR scandal, right as currently, HSBC bank (British Bank) has been hugely fined..

Another thing I remember reading on the ATS sandy hook thread was the maps, showing the words sandy hook in big red letters, the mention of a screenwriter whose last name was newton connected to the 'Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre', and discussion of what the locations were on the Batman map of the other 'sites'. One of them was said to be 'Fort Clinton'

The top issue everyone is discussing after the Sandy Hook Massacre is: more guns or less guns, and reasons why/why not. Pro gun people say 'to prevent tyranny'-what tyranny are they speaking of, American- or British, which was the 'tyranny' going on at the time the legislation was passed??
(I am not taking a position pro or con - I don't want my post derailed into another gun forum, just speaking about the idea of tyranny having been mentioned by the gun folk)

We are all aware the second amendment addresses this issue regarding the right to bearing arms. It occurred to me that it would be worth refreshing up on the amendment and Constitution, as well as the influences on it's creation during the time in which it was passed.
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I remembered the influence of the colonists still fighting the British, by the 6 Nations confederacy. I looked for Newtown in conjunction with the other relevant search terms.

SURE ENOUGH: What did I find??

The Battle of Newtown Aug 29, 1779!

The General's name was Clinton. George Washington was trying to break the Iroquois alliance with the British, as a way to help the colonists militia, and this was a significant event to the American Revolution against the British.

And so... going with the symbolic language warning theory, the location, in Newtown, could it be INTENTIONALLY pointing backwards in history to what happened at this battle, and CONFIRMING the British retracing the story, so that this time, they do in fact prevail?? Afterall, the information is out there about the US economy ending up in British banks (I'm sure there are several threads here on this topic)

What are your thoughts, critiques? (remember, be gentle, this is my first time)-thanks!



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

What the F? There is a thread about this that is currently closed and under review by the mods



Does anyone have any idea why exactly, that thread was closed for review?



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by shasta9600

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

What the F? There is a thread about this that is currently closed and under review by the mods



Does anyone have any idea why exactly, that thread was closed for review?



Evidence is possibly turned over to the authorities or the authorities demanded it be closed for fear of prosecution due to questioning official story as has been threatened in major news outlets.

Either way I am not about to let this get overlooked.

It is plain as day what is said on the police scanners and what has been reported and it does not match up.

I pray it is the first case and not the latter. FYI I am sending letters to major news outlets in my state for further clarification on the matter as well as visiting the local police station for the same.


EDIT
The thread has been resurrected!
Who is Christopher A Rodia?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Taggart

Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
...some of you are certifiable crazy. I'm all about CT's , but most of you are rambling on like stoned 12 year olds. You need a reality check.


I vote this as the top contribution to this thread.

I concur that some of the people here really are certifiably crazy.


So you do not see any coincidences at all that are laid out in this thread? If not it is obviously too much for you take in. Coincidences may be all they are but there quite a few. If you care to dispute some of the things in this thread then do so, we are all ears (eyes), rather than name calling and other 12 yr old behaviour.


What I have determined after several years on ATS is that you cannot reason with crazy people.

Since ATS seems to be attracting crazy people like a huge crazy magnet these days I think I'll save my breath.

You can find all of the coincidences you like for anything if you look long and hard enough, abandon any form of rational thought, and stretch probability to beyond breaking point.

You're asking me to reason with nutters who believed the world was going to end because the Mayans stopped counting several hundred years into their future, that it must have been true because crop circles refered to the Mayan calendar (and we all know that crop circles are left by space aliens), that "star beings" are sending them secret messages, that a big planet that no one can see is heading for Earth, and who don't realise that stargates and cloaking devices for space ships are from TV shows.

And they are probably among the more intelligent and less fanciful among you.

There are plenty of probable conspiracies and interesting stuff to discuss and investigate, but ATS is no longer about that, it's a breeding ground for the clinically insane to feed the warped fantasies of their confused minds.

ATS has turned into a great big joke frequented by great big jelly brained fruitcakes.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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reply to post by broctune
 



Actually, most people that commit suicide do not leave a note.


I didn't say majority


That's not what 'often' means



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
Sorry, but this is simply inane

People have completely jumped the shark on this issue.

What we have is a tragedy where 26 people were shot dead by a mentally unstable person.

Why are people instant on trying to turn it into a farce?


I'm just speculating here of course, but could it be that ATS is a conspiracy website?



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by Taggart

Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
...some of you are certifiable crazy. I'm all about CT's , but most of you are rambling on like stoned 12 year olds. You need a reality check.


I vote this as the top contribution to this thread.

I concur that some of the people here really are certifiably crazy.


So you do not see any coincidences at all that are laid out in this thread? If not it is obviously too much for you take in. Coincidences may be all they are but there quite a few. If you care to dispute some of the things in this thread then do so, we are all ears (eyes), rather than name calling and other 12 yr old behaviour.


What I have determined after several years on ATS is that you cannot reason with crazy people.

Since ATS seems to be attracting crazy people like a huge crazy magnet these days I think I'll save my breath.

You can find all of the coincidences you like for anything if you look long and hard enough, abandon any form of rational thought, and stretch probability to beyond breaking point.

You're asking me to reason with nutters who believed the world was going to end because the Mayans stopped counting several hundred years into their future, that it must have been true because crop circles refered to the Mayan calendar (and we all know that crop circles are left by space aliens), that "star beings" are sending them secret messages, that a big planet that no one can see is heading for Earth, and who don't realise that stargates and cloaking devices for space ships are from TV shows.

And they are probably among the more intelligent and less fanciful among you.

There are plenty of probable conspiracies and interesting stuff to discuss and investigate, but ATS is no longer about that, it's a breeding ground for the clinically insane to feed the warped fantasies of their confused minds.

ATS has turned into a great big joke frequented by great big jelly brained fruitcakes.



You're on a conspiracy forum, not the CNN/FoxNews comment section or some political forum. Get over it. Somehow ATS has turned into a liberal politics forum.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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There is an old movie called the "Stepford wives", too. Stepford is a fictional town in CT. Could be Stamford, but its description in the plot reminds us of Sandy Hook.

en.m.wikipedia.org...(1975_film)

There is another sequence called the Stepford Children, too.

It's all about humans who behave like mind controlled robots.

With all those neurscientists ans psychologists and biocentrists and links to the SALK institute (Robert Lanza) and menthalists who are talking to the dead ones (Susan Chamberlain) in that Lanza environment, i was thinking of that plot.

Mind control in a small CT town?

Does CT stand for conspiracy theory? Is that the reason why so many science fiction plots are staged in CT?



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Yes, but all things being equal...you'll still attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.

In other words, it seems to me that there are two types of arguments to make when addressing things that don't add up. Here on ATS, the bigger the situation, it seems, the more likely you are to see both types at the same time in the same thread.

Type one - inconsistent reporting, conflicting testimonies, unexplained license plates, missing bodies/extra bodies, missing guns/extra guns, insurance taken out right before something, political gain, economic gain, CIA cover-up of friendly fire, profits-over-people corporate mentalities, stocks sold/bought right before something happened, presence of certain chemicals otherwise not to be expected, historical data not supporting occurrences, etc.

Type two - numbers matching up when added, multiplied, subtracted or taken to the n power... carry the unicorn, giants from Atlantis, aliens wanting to save mankind from ourselves/eat us, the hand of God/the hoof of Satan, universal alignment of conscious Qi transmuted by an ancient Cherokee shaman princess on this or that equinox, Luciferian defense contractors and pharmaceutical globalists backed up by the entirety of the screen actors guild, every publishing house, IMDB.com, NOAA and/or self-aware hurricanes, lizard people who live in the reverse earth that you can only enter through the secret polar passage ways that the unborn spirit of Jules Verne created when he had sex with Amaterasu on St. Crispen's day, illiterate goat herders In mudbrick homes in the foothills of the Hindu Kush with secret underground laboratories and cloaking technologies paid for by a strange bearded man with diabetes (no, not the guy from Cocoon-though might as well, right?), etc.

Now, I try to be open minded and I don't like to be a jerk about people's personal beliefs.

That being said, which type of the above two is:

a) empirically provable in our lifetimes with our current technology, and;

b) more likely to win over people who typically only know about these events from 2 minutes on a national cable channel, like CNN, followed up by water-cooler talk in which other people told the FOX and Yahoo News versions of the story.

Trust me, it's hard enough to talk to my dad about current or historical events that are contradicted by hard proof...I have to literally read him the article and quotes or show him the video. If I just say, "regarding X, as it turns out Y was the culprit and Z was the motive," his response will be "No it wasn't." Or, "Y would never do that."

Confirmation bias is strong in the sheeple...many talking heads with theme music and colorful, flickering backgrounds help to "catapult the propaganda" to quote a recent President.

It will already be hard enough to get through that barrier with actual, verifiable, duplicable empiricism...why complicate it with crystals, ghosts, 12 year old intricate plans involving lingerie models and the ability to foreshadow future weather, or any other generally or commonly hard to swallow "evidence"?

So, it's not to say that there isn't a place for these latter arguments and theorizing to be made, it's just that there probably is a certain amount of "oil and water" sentiment by those of us who prefer type 1 over type 2...



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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In regards to your inclusion of luciferians in the top brass of the military being included in class b, I ask that it be moved to class a as Michael Aquino was the head priest of the Temple of Set and former member of the Church of Satan and also happens to be a fairly high ranking general in the NSA. This is supported by empirical evidence and would be more accurate to be included in that class.


Aquino co-authored the Mind War paper with Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980.
www.usa-anti-communist.net...

The New Mental Battlefield Beam Me Up Spock
www.usa-anti-communist.com...

EDIT
Links are to pdf files of the paper's whose titles are above the links.
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posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Not sure if this has been noted on here before, but with 77 pages of posts it is an awesome job to complete!
Anyway, the cover of the DVD movie "Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre" has the last word in the title spelt wrong. They write "Massacare" as far as I can see when it should be "Massacre". Any ideas on that?



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
reply to post by Sphota
 


In regards to your inclusion of luciferians in the top brass of the military being included in class b, I ask that it be moved to class a as Michael Aquino was the head priest of the Temple of Set and former member of the Church of Satan and also happens to be a fairly high ranking general in the NSA. This is supported by empirical evidence and would be more accurate to be included in that class.


Aquino co-authored the Mind War paper with Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980.
www.usa-anti-communist.net...

The New Mental Battlefield Beam Me Up Spock
www.usa-anti-communist.com...

EDIT
Links are to pdf files of the paper's whose titles are above the links.
edit on 25-12-2012 by FriedBabelBroccoli because: 101


And in the off chance he is involved in ritual baby sacrifice, that evidence will come in handy.

However, the point was that the broader, more far-reaching conspiracies are harder to easily digest by people who are coming into the conversation with no frame of reference, or rather one that has been completely framed by a aberrant mainstream media, spoon-fed their talking points on a TelePrompTer. Why, just yesterday NPR news mentioned the crazy guy who killed several people and burned down 7 houses and that his gun was the same rifle used in Connecticut. I thought we had established that only handguns were found in the school, while this bushmaster rifle was in the trunk. (By the way, I'm not a gun person, but the name for this one sounds like either a really bad porn or a really bad action movie, either being based on Crocodile Dundee.)

So, my point is that while you might be able to provide evidence for this guy's penchant for the Prince of darkness, how or when does that work into something relevant, in bullet points and easily understandable bits of information for the busy construction worker, the 9-to-5er, the soccer mom, the dyed-in-the-wool Republicrat or Demblican?

The information has to be tied into their everyday experience. I'm sure, somewhere out there there is some vast, ubiquitous conspiracy that creates some effect in my life or theirs. But, I'm here and though I may be skeptical sometimes, you've got my ear so I'm tacitly forgiving of some of the more outlandish stuff because I can read between the lines. You don't have that luxury with the rest of the population. They need things laid out in a more concise, specific way.

Regarding the shooting, inconsistencies with license plates and weapons, non-deaths of key people, anachronistic events, involvement of relatives in past or present political scandals...if they have demonstrable veracity, are key rebuttals to the issues presented in this very national-stage tragedy. Unfortunately, dragging in lingerie slasher flicks from 2000 and words on a map in the Batman movie, as circumstantially eyebrow-raising as they might be, are not going to be received well out of context by the general public.

And, if you don't have the ear of the general public, your just talking about a conspiracy theory mutual masturbation session. The general public is constantly engaged in the mainstream reporting with little but stylistic differences between the newsprint, digital and multimedia outfits that present the issues. If we know there is a rat in Denmark or however the Hamlet quote goes, it would be best to point out the whole in the wall and the droppings in the cabinet, not gloss over the verifiable and jump to a discussion on the potentially plausible fact that Rosencrantz lobotomized said rat in order to kill Yorick with genetically altered, untraceable Hanta virus.

Thusly, Joe Schmoe will not receive the lingerie story, but he might start to question what he's being told on FOX or MSNBC if he hears about a false identity, a missing gun or other such tangible pieces of evidence as long as it can be proven.



posted on Dec, 27 2012 @ 02:54 AM
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Wow.... blows my mind dude...

And check this... The review was July 20th, the same day as the alleged Apollo 11 mission when man supposedly walked on the moon.

And the moon is sandy. And Apollo 11. 11. Like in 11:11. I always see 11:11 on my phone. I even screen captured it 13 times.

And Sandy Koufax was Jewish, and pitched for the Dodgers. Dodgers. Dodging the truth, get it? The Zionist Illuminati.

And LA is where they made the original Batman tv series. Adam West was Batman. Adam Lanza.

Wow... this is all too much....



posted on Dec, 31 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Certainly strange, upon first impressions, the bloggers first paragraph seemed to mock the literal descriptive nature of the title, almost saying "what could this film possibly be about" (when it is clearly obvious) in a sarcastic tone. I almost let myself get sucked in by the crazy ramblings of some people, but I dont think there is anything in it. The only crime here is the quality of the review itself....



posted on Dec, 31 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by sconner755
Wow.... blows my mind dude...

And check this... The review was July 20th, the same day as the alleged Apollo 11 mission when man supposedly walked on the moon.

And the moon is sandy. And Apollo 11. 11. Like in 11:11.




Your going a bit too far. The moon is sandy?


Originally posted by sconner755
I always see 11:11 on my phone. I even screen captured it 13 times.


You can do that twice a day dude... Imagine how many times you check your phone, far out.


Originally posted by sconner755
And Sandy Koufax was Jewish, and pitched for the Dodgers. Dodgers. Dodging the truth, get it? The Zionist Illuminati.

And LA is where they made the original Batman tv series. Adam West was Batman. Adam Lanza.

Wow... this is all too much....


Its clearly too much for you. Try to be realistic here. Your coming up with completely random stuff here, what on earth does Sandy Koufax have to do with this? And what does his pitching have to do with this shooting? Zionist and Illuminati because of what?

Original Batman was made in LA? Well, this isn't Batman, the shooting occured in Connecticut.. WTF are you on about.

One actor in Batman had the same first name as the mass shooter? Ok? You do realise that has nothing to do with anything, it can't have, and there is no point in it having any meaning.
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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Just spent a few minutes unscrambling the title “SANDY HOOK LINGERIE PARTY MASSACRE” and found this:
Tragedy
School
Arise
Map
In
NY
And the remaining letters are skare which could be reaks, rakes, asker, reask.
Strange indeed. I believe it could have been an announcement for upcoming events, and I understand the Illuminati work that way in order to keep their "people" informed.

Interesting article here detailing the imdb entry on the film as well as the review.

www.infowars.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.infowars.com... ections-and-david-ickes-perspective



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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Ok How about a strange review about a movie called "The Summer of Massacre"??????????

Ok I am not one to get into the discussion on something like this rather than just watch you all go at it and form my own opinion, BUT when it comes to the movie reviews warning us, I thought that was just too weird. I may be way off on this, but I thought I would give you all the link and tell me what YOU think about it.

My first step was to type in December 14, movie review massacre (google is good like that). The third link down is "The Summer of Massacre and One Murder a Minute". I click on it.

I find a movie review for (of course) The Summer of Massacre blah blah blah, right?

I read the review on this link first: www.28dayslateranalysis.com... and didn’t think much of it besides the "three serial killers" and the 155 kills in the movie that breaks a world record. Notice the few words on the site that are in BOLD:

Sympathy
Bloody murder
Joe Castro
Dark pasts
Seek revenge
Serial killers
Bloodworks
Jennifer Holderness (James Holmes?? - I'm really reaching here)
The Hobbit (not sure why that's relevant)

Where it gets me is at the bottom where it mentions another film this director has done…

*this title releases January 10th with the following special features: a director's commentary, a director's diary, an inerview with Brinke Stevens, cast auditions, Joe Castro's "Childhood Massacre" short film

WHAT??? Remember this was posted on December 14, 2011

Ok that was weird. This is weirder. There are links to other sites that also have reviews for this movie. When I went to the Wildside review the title of the review here is " Film Review: Castro’s ‘The Summer of Massacre’ (2011) Breaks Kill Records & Hearts"

I'd also like to point out in another review: "Let your bloody freak flag fly!" and on wikipedia for the movie they divide the separate stories (the movie is a few different stories) and in the last story in "the Warehouse" they point out that "the Los Angeles nuclear massacre will be felt for centuries to come" hmmmmmmmmm.

BREAKS RECORD KILLS?? CHILDHOOD MASSACRE?? WEIRD BOLDING OF LETTERS!!! LOS ANGELES! That's when I said I have to share this. Thoughts?



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Bscharping
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Ok How about a strange review about a movie called "The Summer of Massacre"??????????

Ok I am not one to get into the discussion on something like this rather than just watch you all go at it and form my own opinion, BUT when it comes to the movie reviews warning us, I thought that was just too weird. I may be way off on this, but I thought I would give you all the link and tell me what YOU think about it.

My first step was to type in December 14, movie review massacre (google is good like that). The third link down is "The Summer of Massacre and One Murder a Minute". I click on it.

I find a movie review for (of course) The Summer of Massacre blah blah blah, right?

I read the review on this link first: www.28dayslateranalysis.com... and didn’t think much of it besides the "three serial killers" and the 155 kills in the movie that breaks a world record. Notice the few words on the site that are in BOLD:

Sympathy
Bloody murder
Joe Castro
Dark pasts
Seek revenge
Serial killers
Bloodworks
Jennifer Holderness (James Holmes?? - I'm really reaching here)
The Hobbit (not sure why that's relevant)

Where it gets me is at the bottom where it mentions another film this director has done…

*this title releases January 10th with the following special features: a director's commentary, a director's diary, an inerview with Brinke Stevens, cast auditions, Joe Castro's "Childhood Massacre" short film

WHAT??? Remember this was posted on December 14, 2011

Ok that was weird. This is weirder. There are links to other sites that also have reviews for this movie. When I went to the Wildside review the title of the review here is " Film Review: Castro’s ‘The Summer of Massacre’ (2011) Breaks Kill Records & Hearts"

I'd also like to point out in another review: "Let your bloody freak flag fly!" and on wikipedia for the movie they divide the separate stories (the movie is a few different stories) and in the last story in "the Warehouse" they point out that "the Los Angeles nuclear massacre will be felt for centuries to come" hmmmmmmmmm.

BREAKS RECORD KILLS?? CHILDHOOD MASSACRE?? WEIRD BOLDING OF LETTERS!!! LOS ANGELES! That's when I said I have to share this. Thoughts?




That's an odd entangled route you found. So, you typed into Google "Dec. 14 movie review massacre" because of previous movie review connections to mass murders? (I suppose you are talking about the Dark Knight Rises movie connection to Aurora's massacre.)

I went to that sight, 28dayslateranalysis.com and found it rather spooky...all about violent B-grade movies. Did you notice that the #4 part to the movie he was reviewing was about firemen being murdered!? Didn't we just recently have a situation where two firefighters were murdered and the supposed gunman then shot himself? www.cnn.com...

Weird coincidental connections.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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In fact I DID notice the part about the Fireman, that also made me think, but I said to myself "no way" no one will think i'm sane if I connect that to all this too lol! Very creepy though, yes.

Funny how no one is around after they commit these crimes. They're just so considerate to take themselves out all of a sudden. It's happening way too often.

It is all very coincidental indeed. Too much for my liking though.





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