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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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I see so you think that your one example of caecotrophs proves my entire theory wrong, your wrong.

There is nothing that says they could still be starving and thats why they are eating them. It's all in observation and if his target food isn't present, its possible.




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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For humans we have processing plants in SOME PLACES. There were no processing plants anywhere in the world at one time not long ago. Many places including the US do NOT have processing plants. My house is not connected to one. Poop is being eaten. It gets eaten in the processing plant. It is eaten in pit toilets. it is eaten in the natural world. It has been eaten since there was life on Earth.
True, but it's not from natural causes when you have to bring the poop to the process.




Really? You think all diets have been worked out?

Please define what you mean by diet. Let's get that clarified.
Again, a diet is any number of foods that a species habitually consumes.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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Tooth, if a diet is what a species habitually consumes, then my dog is herbivore. She eats her daily intake of processed dog food but, AT ANY GIVEN POINT OF THE DAY, if presented with tomatoes, potatoes, almost any kind of fruit too, she will eat them. And no, she is not starving, she is, in fact, been putting some weight now she's 11 and has been castrated. Your logic is almost as flawed as your brain.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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How can you be so dishonest, trying to push this stuff out there like it proves your point. The only thing you have proven is that rabbits have two different type of droppings and one is for eating. What about the other 5 million species. I don't eat my own poop. !!!

Rabbits eat poop. That is something passed through their bodies. Just because they do not eat all of their poop has no bearing on whether or not they eat poop.

So rabbits have 2 types of poop. One has been run through one time and the other has been given a second time through. There are lots of poop eaters including cabybaras. They too eat poop.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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I see so you think that your one example of caecotrophs proves my entire theory wrong, your wrong.

There is nothing that says they could still be starving and thats why they are eating them. It's all in observation and if his target food isn't present, its possible.

All I did was show that you are very wrong about animals eating feces. PS. I provided 4 species eating feces.

You are wrong about rabbits doing this when they are starving. 100% of my links report this as normal behavior done by normal healthy rabbits.

Your TF is still an undefined mess which hopefully can be straightened out shortly. So far we have learned that defining diet has many meanings. You have provided several different definitions. Can you provide your definition? Make sure to include that animals eat all sorts of things including poop.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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True, but it's not from natural causes when you have to bring the poop to the process.

Frankly, this is another poorly written statement and I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Animals eat poop. That is why the earth is not covered in poop. It is being consumed as fast as it is produced.


Again, a diet is any number of foods that a species habitually consumes.

Are you sticking to that definition of diet?

If so then anything that is not habitually consumed by a species is what?
And nutritional issues are not of concern?
And inorganics are not of concern?
And what about foods consumed for only a portion of a life cycle?
And what about species that consume different foods in different locations?

Just a few questions for now.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Target food is not dictated.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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Oh I see the problem now, you think this is normal.

Rabbits eating poo is no normal, just because they found a way to recycle doesn't mean it was meant to be.

No animals aren't suppose to eat poop.




If so then anything that is not habitually consumed by a species is what?
Starvation




And nutritional issues are not of concern?
And inorganics are not of concern?
And what about foods consumed for only a portion of a life cycle?
And what about species that consume different foods in different locations?
I see so you think that a person eating nothing but pizza will live just as long as a person that eats a balanced diet?
I don't see why.
I don't know what you mean.
Species can only consume whats available to them, it doesn't mean it was their intended food.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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Rabbits eating poo is no normal, just because they found a way to recycle doesn't mean it was meant to be.

No animals aren't suppose to eat poop.

It's just your opinion and it is without merit since many animals eat poop.

Rabbits eating poop is normal. It's normal for rabbits and related animals. It's an exploitable resource and is exploited. Poop is loved by many butterflies which often congregate on piles of poop. Flies go to poop. Worms go to poop.

I asked "If so then anything that is not habitually consumed by a species is what? " and you answered "starvation".

That doesn't make any sense at all. So if a deer eats a daffodil, then the daffodil is starvation? So if a great tit eats a bat, then the bat is starvation?

Let me ask you again and see if I get a clearer answer or maybe you also use the word starvation in a manner different from what other people use it.

You appear to state that a diet is anything an animal habitually eats. So if an animal eats something that it does not habitually eat, what do you call the thing it eats?

I asked for clarification on your definition of diet and you asked me questions about what I think. I'm not the one defining the term. You are.

I see so you think that a person eating nothing but pizza will live just as long as a person that eats a balanced diet?
I don't see why.
I don't know what you mean.
Species can only consume whats available to them, it doesn't mean it was their intended food.

Answering any of these questions has no bearing on YOUR definition of the word diet. I think that from your questions, all straw man arguments I might add, you think that your definition should include something about nutrition.

Animals eat all sorts of things from inorganics to organics and that can be live or dead, continue to live or die. It can be plant, animal, waste products, fungi, protista, or mineral.

Are you really satisfied with your definition?



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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I have not yet had time to read all 62 pages in this thread.Has anyone used the "fossils" card yet?



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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It was a nice try Colin, but all life as we know it, isn't based around the caecotrophs.

I love how you totaly went around full circle just to avoid the wiki about rabbits.


Rabbits are herbivores that feed by grazing on grass, forbs, and leafy weeds. In consequence, their diet contains large amounts of cellulose, which is hard to digest. Rabbits solve this problem by passing two distinct types of feces: hard droppings and soft black viscous pellets, the latter of which are known as caecotrophs and are immediately eaten. Rabbits reingest their own droppings (rather than chewing the cud as do cows and many other herbivores) to digest their food further and extract sufficient nutrients.[16]


rabbit wiki

How can you be so dishonest, trying to push this stuff out there like it proves your point. The only thing you have proven is that rabbits have two different type of droppings and one is for eating. What about the other 5 million species. I don't eat my own poop. !!!
I thought I would quote your own post just in case anyone missed your stupidity.

The caecotrophs are formed by passing food through the digestive system and then eaten directly from the anus. Even you cannot be so dishonest and in such denial that you would claim that is not eating feces, but apparently not.

Cecotrope


Cecotropes[pronunciation?], also caecotrophes or night feces,

What part of fecal pellet do you not understand?

Coprophagia

Coprophagia /kɒp.rə.ˈfeɪ.dʒi.ə/[1] or coprophagy is the consumption of feces
The rabbits are classified as employing this practice.

So who do I accept? The word smiths that defined a word to describe this practice and the scientists that actual make scientific observations that follow strict rules that have confirmed the rabbit indeed does practice Coprophagia or

Do I take your opinion that food that is passed through the digestive system and is eaten directly from the anus in the form of fecal pellets is not 'eating poo'? A person who's opinion is only formed to protect his fantasy at the expense of truth, honesty and overwhelming evidence?

the same person that ignores his own quote which says

Rabbits solve this problem by passing two distinct types of feces:
and

Rabbits reingest their own droppings


Now let's look at your childish ignorant reply.


How can you be so dishonest, trying to push this stuff out there like it proves your point. The only thing you have proven is that rabbits have two different type of droppings and one is for eating.
You describe above a rabbit eacting its own faeces



What about the other 5 million species. I don't eat my own poop. !!!
Your claim is no animal eats poop as part of its normal diet and you have been given a 'plethora' of examples that prove your ignorance of the subject.

You may not eat your own poop but you certainly write huge piles of crap and expect others to swallow it

In your quest to prove how deluded, dishonest and ignorant you are this post from you is a classic. Well done



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Target food is not dictated.


What the hell does that mean? Dogs are dogs, so by your fantasy they should have the same target food. Since my dog is, well, a dog, why does she eat vegetables and fruit even when her food intake necessities have been fullfilled? Answer required, if you don't answer this one I will report every single post of your trolling in this post.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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Target Food isn't what we dictate. It's an intended food.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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And that doesn't explain anything for the rest of us. There is no proof that they are eating poop as through its their intended diet.

No they only eat odd things while in starvation.




You appear to state that a diet is anything an animal habitually eats. So if an animal eats something that it does not habitually eat, what do you call the thing it eats?
Well it isn't experimentation thats for damn sure.




Are you really satisfied with your definition?
Sure, why not.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 11:52 AM
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I thought I would quote your own post just in case anyone missed your stupidity.

The caecotrophs are formed by passing food through the digestive system and then eaten directly from the anus. Even you cannot be so dishonest and in such denial that you would claim that is not eating feces, but apparently not.
Well from what I read it appeard to be more either unprocessed or undigested food.




What part of fecal pellet do you not understand?
They never say fecal pellet, and this is not proof that its part of his intended diet. It should be no shocker as he is not in his Target Food to begin with.




So who do I accept? The word smiths that defined a word to describe this practice and the scientists that actual make scientific observations that follow strict rules that have confirmed the rabbit indeed does practice Coprophagia or
I never denied that it occured, all I'm saying is that there is no proof that it's a correct path.




Do I take your opinion that food that is passed through the digestive system and is eaten directly from the anus in the form of fecal pellets is not 'eating poo'? A person who's opinion is only formed to protect his fantasy at the expense of truth, honesty and overwhelming evidence?

the same person that ignores his own quote which says
I think you missed the point, all I'm saying is that he isn't suppose to.




Your claim is no animal eats poop as part of its normal diet and you have been given a 'plethora' of examples that prove your ignorance of the subject.

You may not eat your own poop but you certainly write huge piles of crap and expect others to swallow it

In your quest to prove how deluded, dishonest and ignorant you are this post from you is a classic. Well done
First of all it doesn't appear to be feces as its undigested food, secondly its not proof that he is suppose to be eating it.
The part that your not understanding is that depending on how far from Target Food the rabbit is, will make a difference on the pressure thats placed on him to eat undigested poop.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 11:57 AM
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Start with the Abalone, notice how many food sources he has, only one.

This might be true.


Now notice all other diets and you will see a pattern develope where they almost always eat everything within a food group.


This might be true.


How is it that some species can eat one thing and one thing only, while others have to eat everything on the list? It's because they are searching for their target food and not finding it.

You asked a question and then answered it yourself. That is not how you prove things in science. You fail again, I'm asking for tangible evidence, not guesswork. You have yet to prove the bolded statement.


All units of a species eat the same food, and they never experiment with food, which is proof that they know exactly what they are looking for.


And how many known species does this apply to? 1 or 2?


Some situations brought up on here about experimentation is nothing more than a species eating a wide variety in a group, thats all.

Proof?



After Target Food is no longer available, the species will move on to phase one, which again, is eating everything in that food group.

Proof?


After that they move on to phase 2 which is usually picking up a new food group. The squirrel diet in wiki shows a perfect example of a phase one diet, and how he alternates to a phase 2 diet when he is starving. Phase 3 is starvation eating rocks and dirt and poo.

Proof of these phases? Proof that TF is real? You still haven't shown anything beyond speculation.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 12:06 PM
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Maybe you could give us a couple of instances of target food, cos i seem to remember a statement by you that 99.99% of animals on the planet are from here.

And in fitting with your own standards,

If one animal eating its waste does not show that this is normal, then neither does one example of an animal with a limited diet.

You have been given multiple instances of animals that eat waste, please provide the same for those that have a target food.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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Maybe you could give us a couple of instances of target food, cos i seem to remember a statement by you that 99.99% of animals on the planet are from here.
When did I say that?




If one animal eating its waste does not show that this is normal, then neither does one example of an animal with a limited diet.
Well sure it does, because there is a difference between something that can be and something that should be.




You have been given multiple instances of animals that eat waste, please provide the same for those that have a target food.
But there is no proof they are suppose to be eating poo, your just assuming.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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This might be true.


Now notice all other diets and you will see a pattern develope where they almost always eat everything within a food group
Of course its true, I have looked at the diets, I know.




This might be true.


How is it that some species can eat one thing and one thing only, while others have to eat everything on the list? It's because they are searching for their target food and not finding it
Did you have a better suggestion?





And how many known species does this apply to? 1 or 2?
All and any that I have looked up, including ones mentioned by others on here.




Some situations brought up on here about experimentation is nothing more than a species eating a wide variety in a group, thats all.

Proof?
The proof is in the fact that if one unit of a species does it, the rest do to as well.




After Target Food is no longer available, the species will move on to phase one, which again, is eating everything in that food group.

Proof?
The best proof is the abalone.




After that they move on to phase 2 which is usually picking up a new food group. The squirrel diet in wiki shows a perfect example of a phase one diet, and how he alternates to a phase 2 diet when he is starving. Phase 3 is starvation eating rocks and dirt and poo.

Proof of these phases? Proof that TF is real? You still haven't shown anything beyond speculation.
The best proof is the diet of the squirrel, its documented with a phase one diet and he alternates to phase two diet in the off season.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 12:28 PM
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And that doesn't explain anything for the rest of us. There is no proof that they are eating poop as through its their intended diet.

No they only eat odd things while in starvation.

I have no idea what you mean by intended food at this time. Still trying to get you to define what you mean by diet.

Rabbits and many, many creatures eat poop as a food source.


Well it isn't experimentation thats for damn sure.

Now that you claim that eating a non-habitual food is not experimentation, what do you call it? You say it is not part of the diet.


Sure, why not.

OK then let me repeat your definition for diet "A diet is any number of foods that a species habitually consumes."

Here are a few things to think about in your definition of diet.
So for a rabbit feces are a part of its diet.
Coastal brown bears eat salmon. That is a part of their diet. An inland brown bear eats almost no salmon. Thus brown bears do not all share the same diet.
Deer eat dirt to obtain minerals. Dirt is part of a deer's diet.
Caterpillars eat leafy material, but butterflies drink nectar. Are both part of their diets or neither is part of their diet?
Female mosquitoes consume blood, but male mosquitoes do not. Is blood part of a mosquitoes diet?



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