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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Tooth, why did you list definitions for diet from Google that do not appear to be applicable to the matter at hand?

What does a political body have to do with the issue at hand? What does the verb form of the word have to do with the issue at hand?




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:41 PM
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I diet is what ever the species eats.
Not according to your broken link

1.The kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.
No mention at all there of a species which is very different to a community.

So can you give the details of the diet of a rat that lives in a field of corn and a rat that lives in the sewer of a city?


It depends on if they are a regular part of their regular diet, otherwise they are starving. Feces is not a regular part of anyones diet and I'm waiting to see a diet that proves that wrong.
Already done many times even within the last few pages. Even a post telling you that you had ignored that very information and as you dishonestly do, you have ignored it again This Post So not only are you wrong that link proves purposely and dishonestly wrong. I have no idea how or why the mods let you get away with such a continuous unbroken chain of lies.


Everything I posted was facts substantiated from the observations of diets.
Great show the record of those observations. The notes taken during those observations and how the observer reached the conclusion that result in a fact.


All the diets I observed say YOUR WRONG.
Not nearly good enough because when tested all your observations are shown to be your fantasy or a tissue of lies. Where is the proof you were asked to supply?


And if not then I demand you post the diet the proves me wrong, or have you been searching all this time and just trying to buy time because you cant find any?
Read your own definition of diet. Of course no one can find a diet for any species. They don’t exist as anything more than a general guide. General guides are not FACTS


Diet is the observed intake of diet.
What? A diet is the observed intake of diet? so you can eat a diet as part of your diet?
I’ll have egg on toast and a side order of diet? Don’t bother to have a coke with your hamburger and fries. Wash it down with a nice refreshing ice cold can of diet diet.
What a complete tooth.


As already shown Great Tit has been observed eating bat brains yet I can find no reference to this in the many differing diets listed for this bird yet this has been observed intake. Explain.


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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Tooth, why did you list definitions for diet from Google that do not appear to be applicable to the matter at hand?

What does a political body have to do with the issue at hand? What does the verb form of the word have to do with the issue at hand?
I listed the full description so that you wouldn't say I was cherry picking.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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1. So nutrition is not a part of the definition?
Only if the species is unaware of it. As an example, humans eat things for their nutritional value.




2. Anything any individual eats is also a part of the diet for the species? For example, plastic bags are often found in coyote feces. Is that a part of the diet of the coyote?
Depends on if its habitual or not.




3. Does this covers organic and inorganic materials such as fire ash, resins, dirt, feces, etc.
Depends on if they are habitual or not.




4. Does this cover everything thing or are you covering only what is eaten by all members of the species?
All units of the species.




5. How does this embrace changes as an organism ages?
Not aware that it would.




Dung beetles eat poop. Lots of organisms eat poop. That's why the world isn't covered in poop. It is consumed by organisms. Rabbits eat their own poop. Green pellets are eaten and brown pellets been through twice.
But the dung beetle and the odd rare times of rabbits eating poop don't speak for the rest of the species on the planet.




No facts posted yet. Still trying to get past your definition of diet so that we can get past the rest of the opinions you've posted.
Thats why I posted the google of diet. Why would you be trying to get past it? Do you feel there is something flawed about every single definition I have copy and pasted?




All you've posted ever is opinions. What we do know is that you use words very differently from everyone else. Thus we are still trying to pin down what you mean by diet.


Diet is the observed intake of diet.

Meaningless
Intake of food.




So now you offer a third and very different definition of diet.

Please provide your definition of diet. There have been 3:
1. "I diet is what ever the species eats. "
2. "The kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats"
3. "A diet is what ever a species eats for nutritional reasons. "

Please provide your definition of diet. Then we can address the rest of the opinions and get you to post some evidence
2 is the best but they all apply.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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I diet is what ever the species eats.

Not according to your broken link
1.The kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing any difference.




No mention at all there of a species which is very different to a community.

So can you give the details of the diet of a rat that lives in a field of corn and a rat that lives in the sewer of a city?
As far as I'm concearned its semantics. There might be some slight differences but all in all its the same thing.




Already done many times even within the last few pages. Even a post telling you that you had ignored that very information and as you dishonestly do, you have ignored it again This Post So not only are you wrong that link proves purposely and dishonestly wrong. I have no idea how or why the mods let you get away with such a continuous unbroken chain of lies.
Just because you found a link about eating feces, doesn't prove that it happens habitually.




Great show the record of those observations. The notes taken during those observations and how the observer reached the conclusion that result in a fact.
The record of those observations is that there is obviously no experimental phase in diets, other than that found in starving species. Also that all units in a species magically choose the same food.




All the diets I observed say YOUR WRONG.

Not nearly good enough because when tested all your observations are shown to be your fantasy or a tissue of lies. Where is the proof you were asked to supply?
The proof is in the diets.




And if not then I demand you post the diet the proves me wrong, or have you been searching all this time and just trying to buy time because you cant find any?

Read your own definition of diet. Of course no one can find a diet for any species. They don’t exist as anything more than a general guide. General guides are not FACTS
It doesn't matter, the species still has an ascertainable diet, so your still wrong.




What? A diet is the observed intake of diet? so you can eat a diet as part of your diet? I’ll have egg on toast and a side order of diet? Don’t bother to have a coke with your hamburger and fries. Wash it down with a nice refreshing ice cold can of diet diet. What a complete tooth.

As already shown Great Tit has been observed eating bat brains yet I can find no reference to this in the many differing diets listed for this bird yet this has been observed intake. Explain
Intake of food.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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Tooth you have taken your dishonest ploy of cherry picking to a new height

Among many posts you have decided to ignore

This post Showing the formation of the Grand Canyon was not by the biblical flood

This post Asking why you have ignored several other posts

This post Showing you how to define a term and reminding you that you ignored a post showing you a squirrel cannot have target food

This post Asking you to explain three different diets for the same horse

Please supply the diet of the:

1. Pitcher Plant
2. Rabbit

This post from Rhino


Bat brains, bacon and milk are target foods of Great tits, right tooth?
With links, all ignored.

This post Asking you to explain the toad liver and how it is part of the crow diet

Seems to me your lies are becoming to big of a diet for even you to swallow and so now you have little choice but ignore and deny which sadly is still dishonesty on your part

So where is that diet for?

1. Pitcher Plant
2. Rabbit
3. Rat in a corn field
4. Rat in a city sewer


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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm not seeing any difference.
Confirming without doubt you don’t understand what a diet is


As far as I'm concearned its semantics. There might be some slight differences but all in all its the same thing.
Nope. I asked for the diet of a rat in a corn field and a rat in a city sewer. So it is not semantics it is just another example of you refusing to answer. Again proof you know you are wrong. Supply those diets


Just because you found a link about eating feces, doesn't prove that it happens habitually.
Another example of your unsupported one line dismissal. There is nothing wrong with the source I linked you too. It was not written by an evolutionist. It was purely about the diet of many animals that includes poop. The only issue you can have with it is that link shows you are wrong

Your answer is just another in an unbroken chain of lies and denial


The record of those observations is that there is obviously no experimental phase in diets, other than that found in starving species. Also that all units in a species magically choose the same food.
so again despite being shown what is required for an observation in science you misuse the term again to hide what amounts to nothing more than your opinion. Scandalous


The proof is in the diets.
You have no idea what a diet is


It doesn't matter, the species still has an ascertainable diet, so your still wrong.
Your usual gibberish and as usual it has got you into trouble Ascertainable

To discover with certainty, as through examination or experimentation.

See Synonyms at discover.
You sort of destroyed you own argument that species do not experiment


As already shown Great Tit has been observed eating bat brains yet I can find no reference to this in the many differing diets listed for this bird yet this has been observed intake. Explain

Intake of food.
That only explains you don’t have an answer. Why is bat brain not found on any diet I can find regarding the Great Tit?
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Tooth, why did you list definitions for diet from Google that do not appear to be applicable to the matter at hand?

What does a political body have to do with the issue at hand? What does the verb form of the word have to do with the issue at hand?
I listed the full description so that you wouldn't say I was cherry picking.
Quite right. Well done tooth



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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I listed the full description so that you wouldn't say I was cherry picking.

The issue is not what others use for a definition, it it what YOU are using for your definition. So far you've provided different and conflicting definitions. I'm sure your can resolve those differences and settle on a definition that YOU are using.

You can't cherry pick when the issue is what you mean by diet.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by colin42
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As already shown Great Tit has been observed eating bat brains yet I can find no reference to this in the many differing diets listed for this bird yet this has been observed intake. Explain.


Whoa......wait a minute....ZOMBIE GREAT TITS!



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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Yes it appears tooth has reverted to his Nelson tactic. He uses this ploy when he is trapped. Holds his spy glass to his blind eye and says 'ships, I see no ships'. His version is he just cannot see the posts that show him wrong



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Only if the species is unaware of it. As an example, humans eat things for their nutritional value.

Add that clarification to your definition of diet. I'm not so sure that is true. Look at all of the beer, wine, and spirits that are imbibed along with junk food and sugars and artificial sweeteners and dyes and so forth. Can you name another species that is aware of nutritional value? Give an example and how you know that is the case.


Depends on if its habitual or not.

Good thing I asked. Can you add that clarification to your definition of diet. Is this habitual for an individual or for the species?


All units of the species.

So what about geographically diverse species such as bears that some have a heavy diet of fish and others rarely eat fish. Do you count the fish as part of their diet although individuals may or may not eat fish?


Not aware that it would.

So you are not aware of feeding changing with age of an organism? What about mammals relying on their mother's milk, but grow up eating other things?


But the dung beetle and the odd rare times of rabbits eating poop don't speak for the rest of the species on the planet.

Actually, there are lots of species eating poop and rabbits eat their own poop all of the time. It's not rare for rabbits to eat poop - it's normal. You don't really think that dung beetles eat all of the poop generate every day do you? Think of all of the animals pooping and the world is not full of it. Where is it all going? How does it get recycled back into biomass?


Thats why I posted the google of diet. Why would you be trying to get past it? Do you feel there is something flawed about every single definition I have copy and pasted?

The problem is that you have been qualifying the definition of diet and using it in ways that are non-standard. What I would like to be able to do is to be clear about how you are using that term. I'm sure others would also like to be clear about how you it?


Intake of food.

So diet is now the intake of food? Doesn't that differ with the other definitions you've provided?


2 is the best but they all apply.

Here is the problem. You have a definition, but it seems rather vague. The reason the dictionary provides different definitions is because they are in fact different ways the word can be used. In essence they are different words with the same spelling. So when you say diet I want to be able to know what you mean and not think that I know what you mean. Right?

Having given a number of definitions so far can you settle on one and maybe make an effort to clarify what you mean?
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm not seeing any difference.

These are very different. In one we have the notion of habitual and on the other hand whatever is eaten. In one a deer eating meat is a part of the diet and in the other eating meat is not a part of the diet.


As far as I'm concearned its semantics. There might be some slight differences but all in all its the same thing.

You think it is semantics that a rat habitually eating corn and another rat that is not exposed to corn are eating the same diet?


Just because you found a link about eating feces, doesn't prove that it happens habitually.

Why do you think we are not up to our necks in poop? It is being consumed as fast as it is produced.


The record of those observations is that there is obviously no experimental phase in diets, other than that found in starving species. Also that all units in a species magically choose the same food.

That so far is just unsubstantiated opinion.


The proof is in the diets.

You've provided several different definitions of diet. Let's get that fixed before making claims about that.


It doesn't matter, the species still has an ascertainable diet, so your still wrong.

Unsubstantiated opinion using a word that still is not properly defined.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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You've provided several different definitions of diet. Let's get that fixed before making claims about that.
Dont forget to add ascertainable diet, (a diet based on examination and experimentation) to the list



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:31 PM
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Rabbits and their own poop:
en.wikipedia.org...

Capybara, rabbits, hamsters and other related species do not have a complex ruminant digestive system. Instead they are hindgut fermenters that digest cellulose via microbial fermentation. In addition, they extract further nutrition from grass by giving their food a second pass through the gut. Soft fecal pellets of partially digested food are excreted and generally consumed immediately. Consuming these cecotropes is important for adequate nutritional intake of vitamin B12. They also produce normal droppings, which are not eaten.


www.petcaregt.com...

Rabbits possess a cecum, which is involved in digestion. During night, the cecal contents move rapidly through the large bowel. These contents are excreted from the anus. These cecotrophes are known as soft feces. These soft feces are then consumed by the rabbit, usually directly from the anus. Coprophagy in rabbits begins from second to third week of age.



Coprophagy is a normal and necessary behavior of a healthy rabbit. It helps them to provide more essential nutrients and make them fit and healthy.


www.raising-rabbits.com...

Coprophagy is defined as the act of consuming feces. You may have seen your rabbits doing this--they bend themselves around and nibble at their hind end. They're not usually cleaning, they're eating their 'vitamins,' so to speak.



And the rabbit only consumes it directly from the hind end. If a cecotrope should hit the ground without being eaten, the rabbit loses all interest in it.


You might want to consider this in coming up with your definition of diet.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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Rabbits are only consuming feces out of hunger. Any species that consumes feces is from hunger.




These are very different. In one we have the notion of habitual and on the other hand whatever is eaten. In one a deer eating meat is a part of the diet and in the other eating meat is not a part of the diet.
Thats only because your being blind to starvation. Animals will eat odd things like feces when they are hungry.




You think it is semantics that a rat habitually eating corn and another rat that is not exposed to corn are eating the same diet?
I meant in the type of food.




Why do you think we are not up to our necks in poop? It is being consumed as fast as it is produced.
Wrong, its because we have processing plants so that we are NOT up to our necks in it, not because its being eaten.




It doesn't matter, the species still has an ascertainable diet, so your still wrong.

Unsubstantiated opinion using a word that still is not properly defined.
Well there can only be three options here. A diet can be what we see a species eating, what we think he might be eating, and what hes not eating. It doesn't matter because once a diet has been established, and they all have, its written proof that they aren't experimenting.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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Rabbits are only consuming feces out of hunger. Any species that consumes feces is from hunger.

That false. Read all of the links I provide. You are wrong. It is a normal and expected feeding done by rabbits so they can be healthy.

I provided evidence and you provided an opinion that turns out to be wrong.


Thats only because your being blind to starvation. Animals will eat odd things like feces when they are hungry.

False. Evidence already posted in thread.


I meant in the type of food.

So what in the sewer is the same type of food as corn?


Wrong, its because we have processing plants so that we are NOT up to our necks in it, not because its being eaten.

For humans we have processing plants in SOME PLACES. There were no processing plants anywhere in the world at one time not long ago. Many places including the US do NOT have processing plants. My house is not connected to one. Poop is being eaten. It gets eaten in the processing plant. It is eaten in pit toilets. it is eaten in the natural world. It has been eaten since there was life on Earth.


Well there can only be three options here. A diet can be what we see a species eating, what we think he might be eating, and what hes not eating. It doesn't matter because once a diet has been established, and they all have, its written proof that they aren't experimenting.

Really? You think all diets have been worked out?

Please define what you mean by diet. Let's get that clarified.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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Rabbits are only consuming feces out of hunger. Any species that consumes feces is from hunger.
IF you had bothered to read any of the links provided you would know

Capybara, rabbits, hamsters and other related species do not have a complex ruminant digestive system. Instead they are hindgut fermenters that digest cellulose via microbial fermentation.
That means they pass the food they eat through their digestive system twice. A child knows this so I question why you do not.

Again you display total denial of anything that challenges your fantasy so we can add rabbits to the long list of animals that proved your nonsense wrong and your only defence is an unbroken chain of lies and denial.

Why do you ask people to give you evidence and then don’t bother to read any of it? The answer is you are without doubt a troll. You ignore the mountains of evidence to preserve your silly failed trolls game plan.


Thats only because your being blind to starvation. Animals will eat odd things like feces when they are hungry.
Supply the diet for the dung beetle


I meant in the type of food.
I meant for you to supply the diet for the rat in the corn field and the rat in a city sewer. You seem unable yet you claim there is a diet for ALL animals. Supply those two diets


Wrong, its because we have processing plants so that we are NOT up to our necks in it, not because its being eaten.
you do realise that all life produces waste not just humans. Do they ever let you out? Add bacteria to the list of examples that prove you wrong.


Well there can only be three options here. A diet can be what we see a species eating, what we think he might be eating, and what hes not eating. It doesn't matter because once a diet has been established, and they all have, its written proof that they aren't experimenting.
You do talk a load of twaddle. Where is your answer to your claim of an ascertainable diet? The one based on examination and experimentation. You seem to have missed it again
Pathetic

Diet seems to be another word you use often and dont know the meaning of. Tragic

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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I see you still have no response to all those ignored posts I listed. All those posts that expose your ignorance of the world you live in

All those posts that expose your fantasy. Care to give an answer or are you in the third phase of denial


No wonder you came out with the nonsense about field mice turning into door mice. You have a level of understanding that would make a two year old blush
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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It was a nice try Colin, but all life as we know it, isn't based around the caecotrophs.

I love how you totaly went around full circle just to avoid the wiki about rabbits.


Rabbits are herbivores that feed by grazing on grass, forbs, and leafy weeds. In consequence, their diet contains large amounts of cellulose, which is hard to digest. Rabbits solve this problem by passing two distinct types of feces: hard droppings and soft black viscous pellets, the latter of which are known as caecotrophs and are immediately eaten. Rabbits reingest their own droppings (rather than chewing the cud as do cows and many other herbivores) to digest their food further and extract sufficient nutrients.[16]


rabbit wiki

How can you be so dishonest, trying to push this stuff out there like it proves your point. The only thing you have proven is that rabbits have two different type of droppings and one is for eating. What about the other 5 million species. I don't eat my own poop. !!!





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