reply to post by thisguyrighthere
The truth is that emotion rules the day right now and emotional decisions are not good for anyone.
The NRA and it's supporters are looking to survive the storm and see what remains once things settle and rationality returns to the nation and
somewhat to the anti-gun movement. They will make careful statements.
The NRA has adopted absolutist positions and has supported those positions with logically fallacious arguments and rhetoric.
The silliest argument I have seen bandied about is that anyone is capable of killing with a variety of tools from fist, to rock to knife...therefore
EITHER ban everything OR ban nothing.
This is commonly called a false dichotomy. A false choice between just two choices.
We all know that the very reason guns sell is because they are a better tool to kill than a fist or a rock or a knife.
And certain guns sell because they are better at killing than other guns.
Muzzle Velocity, Rate of Fire, High Capacity Magazines...etc.
Are we to begin a debate by denying that obvious truth?
Gun advocates who take the position that those things do not matter, destroy their own credibility.
The debate needs to be had and gun advocates need to make more legitimate arguments if they are to fend of the emotional state the country is in. And
they will also need to compromise. If they do not engage in legitmate debate centered on genuine data, legitimate logic etc. rather than "clinging" to
the bumper sticker rhetoric of the NRA, then they will eventually lose more ground than is warranted.
Weapon "A" in the OP...
Rugar .22 Long Rifle
Caliber: .22 Long Rifle
Muzzle energy max: 250 ft-lbs
Capacity: 10 round rotary
Bushmaster AR-15 used by Adam Lanza
Rapid fire Semi-Automatic
Ammunition: .223 Remington; 55 grain bullet @ 3240 feet per second.
Muzzle Energy: 1282 foot-pounds.
Capacity: Standard 30 round magazine, 60 or 100 Round clips available, but with a greater likelihood of jamming the higher you go.
High Velocity....Rapid Fire..Light Weapon...High capacity clips.
Adam Lanza in Newton (killed 28), James Homes in CO (killed 12), Seung-Hui Cho, Viginia Tech (Killed 32), The recent mall shooter in OR...the list
goes on...alll with the AR-15.
Now...AGAIN...wouldn't the facts be an honest place to start? Wherever you sit on the issue?
These killers did not choose the AR-15 over other guns, or a kitchen knife, because it was simply convenient.
It is the best gun easily available to kill many people in a short amount of time.
From there we can move on to other warrranted debates, about mental illness and whether more guns or less is the solution, or the potential impact an
AWB would have, it's effectiveness etc. etc. etc.
But begining the discussion with BS? and false logic? We need honest and rational arguments from both sides to arrive at useful conclusions.
And the BS about a knife being the same as an AR-15 is just a moronic place to start. It insults the intelligence of gun owners and the anti-gun lobby
both...AND the suggestion that a Ruger .22 Long Rifle is not different than an AR-15 is only slightly less moronic.
edit on 21-12-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)