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Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
You're right, that does sound kind of lame.
But then, as I recall Hitler found it expensive to shoot six million Jews. He thought gas chambers were far more economical. So maybe if someone is determined to kill they will find another way.edit on 19-12-2012 by VictorVonDoom because: (no reason given)
Uh huh. Equating gun laws to the Holocaust. I'm out. There's NO logic here.
You brought up the cars, not me. And yes, intent is highly important in this. One is a stupid lapse in judgement. One is the intent to kill people. Secondly there seems to be a lot more bodies in a shooting than in a car crash.
Originally posted by Kryties
The closer we get to a serious conversation about guns in America the louder, and more whining, the gun advocates seem to get.
It can't hurt to have a deep look at the issue and statistics in a proper setting can it? Is it really that much trouble, to perhaps save another class of 20 kids getting turned into swiss cheese?
Originally posted by Propulsion
Originally posted by boncho
I posted something similar to what I'm posting now in an earlier thread.
In Toronto, a few years ago the gates for refugees opened up for Somalia and Jamaica. There were deals made with Jamaica which somehow let a ton of aimless misguided teens, young adults in the country, many of them with criminal attitudes and pasts. Also, the Somalians were coming from somewhere that was very war torn at the time.
Within a couple years the city shootings skyrocketed. One year dubbing it "the year of the gun."
These were more 'gangland' style shootings, but many of them very public. With no discretion some of the shooters were carrying out attacks in the middle of public places, in daylight, and a lot of innocents were getting killed/wounded.
This is from a place that has plenty of gun control. Where it's nearly impossible to own a handgun, and all guns were registered at the time. (Not the ones involved in the shootings obviously)
The problem wasn't with gun control, it wasn't a racial issue, it was a mental health issue. All the people involved in the shootings had some major anti-social behaviour problems, and mental health issues. It's as simple as that.
People never want to address the root cause of issues like this.edit on 19-12-2012 by boncho because: (no reason given)
This is a positive one, where leaders in the Somali community addressed the concern and had meetings about the violence.
As I said, this isn't racial. But when you have people immigrating from countries in turmoil, and they are not provided the proper guidance, it is tough for them to acclimate to a different society.
There was an underlying cause to much of the violence in a short period of history, but many failed to address it fearful of creating a racial debate, instead focusing on gun control debates, and ignoring it has really done nothing for the public.edit on 19-12-2012 by boncho because: (no reason given)