All this hype about Gun control is Agenda 21 not letting a crisis go to waste. U.N., NWO, CRAPOLA.

reply to post by neo96


I thought you liked Capitalism. Or is it only murder when a Democrat is the Commander in Chief? In my opinion, the wars and battles we wage are almost always 100% wrong and for the millionth time I do not like many of Obama's policies and I'm not a Liberal or a Democrat.

But to answer your question, in a way yes it is fear porn because somehow people keep confusing gun control with gun bans and you and others like you keep putting yourself in the victim role... "My rights will be taken away" and you choose to huddle in a corner glaring at the rest of the country like they're evil. When the reality is your right to keep and bear arms is not going to be taken it away.

Whether you like it or not the nation is engaged in a discussion on gun control, use the power of your voice to educate instead of flinging poo from your dark corner with victim stamped on your forehead.

reply to post by Kali74


What people are confusing is what gun control is fascist totatlitarism under the guise of "doing what best is for the commmon good".

Said by every 2 bit dictator world wide did not elect the current government to play god nor the UN.nor my nextdoor neighbor has any rights to tell me what I can or can't not own.

People buying what they want when they want is capitalism.

reply to post by neo96


I suppose not being able to own rocket launchers and nuclear warheads is fascist totalitarian as well.

Way to miss the whole point of my post, which was... you can sit there whining and demonizing and fighting a war that exists in your mind or you could talk to people and debate with intelligence and fact about assault weapons. Doesn't mean that the result will be what you want it to be, but you could sway some people who were unaware previously.

All you're going to accomplish though by saying your 2nd Amendment Rights are being taken away is people dismissing you.

reply to post by Kali74


Nice strawman there but then agian that same government is selling those weapons all over the globe hell people do say the US is the largest exporter of weapons on the planet.

But they can be in everyone's hands but Americans straight up hypocrisy.

The only ones whom dont want a crisis to be wasted are the middle class concerned parents. Guns are big buisness in America. Only working/middleclass children fell victim to shooting sprees. Those who make money with gunsales want to keep doing money with gunsales. They are typically really rich and powerful and far removed from the middle class since generations. It matters little to them if 20 or 2000 of the little lambs die spawned by some of the 300.000.000 sheep.

Gunsales will go on. Maybe a ban will come restricting supply, to be lifted later to sell a load of guns for top dollars.

reply to post by Merinda


um no. No one is trying to USE those poor families that lost their kids so to push an agenda other than the hawks and crazed morons who ignorantly see this opportunity to do damage to the conservatives . People who want a Gun ban and HAVE wanted one do so because they see it as a tradition of their opposition. Republican, conservative, ect. So they see it as their duty to fight against it. The blood has not even dried on this one and they jumped at the chance screaming about the children, when really it is about a life long obsession against guns. VERY LOW.

In this case they are helping the government pass legislature that should be met with resistance from BOTH sides of the isle. Partisan BS is not acceptable just because you can hurt the other side. I dont own guns but would hate to see any more liberties infringed upon because scared rabid morons felt the need to change more of what our country is in light of.....LIFE. They cant deal with it so they need to feign some sort of control to be able to cope. Weak.

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Rahm Emanuel

reply to post by Kali74


Would you take a liberal's word for it?

www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com...

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


I am currently reading "Behind The Green Mask" by Rosa Koire, a gay liberal who specializes in real estate and eminent domain issues. There is a lot of really good information in it, and she explains how the "Delphi Technique" is used in group meetings to get people to think they are in the minority if they don't accept the proposals set up by UN Agenda 21 at the local level.
I see a bit of that Delphi Technique being used here on ATS although one cannot say whether it is deliberate.

reply to post by Kali74

Nor am I naive about agenda 21. You understand that it hasn't been signed, right? Did you read the link I provided?

It doesn't HAVE to be SIGNED. That's what you don't understand yet. It is being implemented on a local level.
Or maybe you could just take the Occupy word for it....you are Occupy are you not?

occupycorporatism.com...

reply to post by Kali74


Clinton signed EO # 12852, establishing the President's Council on Sustainable Development. First met 1993. Sustainable Developmenet is a buzz term used by Agenda 21 and it's proponents.

Do some real research. You won't be able to refute either of us.

whatisagenda21.net...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Why would I take a liberals word for it over anyone else's or care that someone chose to use the saying Occupy Corporatism on their website. No group is immune to conspiracy theory. I've read up, I don't think it's great, I don't think we need the UN to tell us what should be common sense, but I don't think it's friendly face on tyranny either and mind you I'm pretty wary of friendly faces on policy. Sustainable development is not a buzzword either, it is common sense. Try to stop consuming Koch funded fear.

You are right to add Agenda 21 to the equation but it is not the total answer. It is about shutting down all future opposition to government (and armed opposition is a worry to any government). That being said; it will be much easier (if and when the US goes into receivership with the UN) to get farmers to give up their farmland (under Agenda 21 and EOs already on the books) if the farmers and land owners are Not Armed.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Why would I take a liberals word for it over anyone else's or care that someone chose to use the saying Occupy Corporatism on their website. No group is immune to conspiracy theory. I've read up, I don't think it's great, I don't think we need the UN to tell us what should be common sense, but I don't think it's friendly face on tyranny either and mind you I'm pretty wary of friendly faces on policy. Sustainable development is not a buzzword either, it is common sense. Try to stop consuming Koch funded fear.

This has nothing to do with the Koch bros. Is that really all you have? So if someone in the Occupy rants about Agenda 21 it cannot be a real legitimate thing because you perceive it as a conservative issue, and you cannot be non-partisan for same reason, therefore, if a liberal takes it up as an issue, you are not and cannot be convinced. Koch bros indeed! That has to be the lamest excuse for not really educating yourself I've ever heard.

Too bad, because as much as you think the Koch bros told me about Agenda 21, I can say that you protest too much.
It's really telling that you are so deeply entrenched in your way of thinking that you think that anyone complaining about Agenda 21 must be a shill for the Koch bros. Really amazing.
Then you must truly be for Globalism. The mask comes off!
What a shame. You prove you are unwilling to put aside the left/right paradigm to learn the truth. What I find especially interesting is that you cannot possibly have even explored the website link I provided otherwise you would have appreciated the way Rosa slams the Bush's and Cheney. Oh well, some people never get it.

You know the old saying, "there are none so blind as those who will not see".

reply to post by Kali74


So, Sustainable Development is NOT a UN buzzword, just a notion of common sense. ok

www.un-documents.net...

Just read their own documents.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

This has nothing to do with the Koch bros.

Americans for Prosperity is elevating the issue to the national GOP platform, so yes, my statement stands... though they do it in a much less crazy vein than the John Birch Society. Still fear and lies but definitely less crazy.

AFP on Agenda 21

So if someone in the Occupy rants about Agenda 21

I saw nothing on that site that indicated to me there's was any actual involvement in Occupy by the owners of the site. To me it looked like a conspiracy site of the worst variety, nothing but fear porn.

it cannot be a real legitimate thing because you perceive it as a conservative issue,

Incorrect, I perceive it as a conspiracy issue.

and you cannot be non-partisan for same reason

Actually, I'm being quite non-partisan here... it is you trying to pigeon-hole me to suit your needs, placing positions I take on anything, inappropriately, on some evil Leftist chart in your head.

That has to be the lamest excuse for not really educating yourself I've ever heard.

That is enormously ironic.

Then you must truly be for Globalism.

More irony. I just tend to identify globalism based on reality... mainly, the way the western world practices Capitalism.

You prove you are unwilling to put aside the left/right paradigm to learn the truth.

I think I generally prove the opposite.

What I find especially interesting is that you cannot possibly have even explored the website link I provided otherwise you would have appreciated the way Rosa slams the Bush's and Cheney.

So I have to get excited about every bad word said against them and digest it as truth just because I despise them? That's your bag not mine.

Oh well, some people never get it. You know the old saying, "there are none so blind as those who will not see"

Indeed.

EDIT TO ADD:
This was posted in response to another member asking where in agenda 21 is the disarming of the US spelled out.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by daskakik

 

Agenda 21 is the core spirit for policy reform and policy development in all western nations. It is a Globalist agenda, and overtly so.

It has MANY companion documents and pacts penned and signed even before this policy took on the name of "Agenda 21". That is no secret either. The smoking gun as it were is not written in bold ink in plain words for us to see and say "hey that's not legal". It is also very clear without explicit language.

We have seen this push for a disarmed population in many countries and always as per UN recommendations.
Agenda 21 has a myriad of sub entities and organizations that operate locally. Its design is not centralized so it can not be shot down by any one issue it causes.

In the US there exists already the means for what the design of a world army and security force require.

Since it is a little drawn out explaining the US version of its implementation, here is a little resource for you.
www.sweetliberty.org...
PL87-297 Arms Control and Disarmament Act /State Department Publication No.7277

Besides that look to the book "The report from Iron mountain". It was not originaly meant to be made public. It was written around that same era as when these provisions were thought up and see its section on military service and the need for a form of universal peace corps.

On November 26, 1976, the report was reviewed in the book section of The Washington Post by Herschel McLandress,the pen name for Harvard professor John Kenneth Galbraith. Galbraith wrote that he knew firsthand of the report's authenticity because he had been invited to participate in its creation; that although he was unable to be part of the official group, he was consulted from time to time and had been asked to keep the project secret; and that while he doubted the wisdom of letting the public know about the report, he agreed totally with its conclusions.

He wrote: "As I would put my personal reputation behind the authenticity of this document,

www.goodnewsaboutgod.com...

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