Is US on a road to Communism ?

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by Merinda

 

Just because something is equal it doesn't make it communism.

Equality is just a result of the means of production being owned in common, instead of by a few private owners.

It's not like communism is equality no matter what. In fact nothing can ever be truly equal. The aim of communism/socialism is the end of capitalism, and the means of production owned in common by those who work. It doesn't create complete equality, it just makes the economy more equal, because no one has the advantage of a monopoly of ownership of the means to produce.

You forget to explain that in practice, the means of production is actually owned and centrally controlled by the STATE and therefore the proletariat never control anything and the State never withers away. That is the reality here and the NWO Totalitarian One World Govt will leave the wealthy controllers in place.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

You forget to explain that in practice, the means of production is actually owned and centrally controlled by the STATE and therefore the proletariat never control anything and the State never withers away. That is the reality here and the NWO Totalitarian One World Govt will leave the wealthy controllers in place.

No, please read what I'm saying. One more time, socialism can be stateless, that is why we have Anarchism.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism" - Mikhail Bakunin

You're talking about Marxism. I do not support Marxism for the reasons you state.

But having said that the state is not necessarily bad. The state we have now is bad because it is set up for the interests of a minority class of private owners. Those that have the economic power control the state. If the hierarchical system of capitalism is broken down, then we the people will have more power to influence the state.

The state we have is a result of capitalism.

reply to post by UltraMarine


America is already a communist country, owned by foreign(British) capitalists. All possessions owned by Americans are valued in Dollars. The US dollar is a fiat Currency, real currency such as gold and silver are off and on borderline illegal. So it is painfully obvious that since Americans cannot buy or sell our property with real currency, we do not own the property in the first place. As it can be seized with or without a court order with restitution being paid in fake money(fiat currency).

Combined with a Public School system that is used for Propaganda instead of education, rampant genocide via population replacement(Genocide is always the hallmark of a Communist/Leftist regime), forced labor camps and rampant corruption......

You have to ignore the paint and outer shell and look at the inner workings to figure out what is exactly what. America is a totally Communist Totalitarian State, just one with velvet gloves and toy guns.

reply to post by UltraMarine


No, the USA is not on the road to Communism. And claiming that Obama is a KGB agent is ridiculous. It sounds awfully like Birtherism. What's next? Obama is a Maoist? A Syndicalist-Trotskyite? Even worse - a Methodist?

reply to post by korathin


America is a Communist country owned by Capitalists? What?

Originally posted by korathin
America is already a communist country, owned by foreign(British) capitalists.

How can it be communist if it is owned by capitalists?

That would make it capitalism. Capitalism IS the private ownership of the means of production, land factories etc.

Communism/socialism is the workers common ownership of the means of production.

The US is driving AWAY from a representative republic.

Whether our destination is near communism, socialism, fascism, corporatism, or -ism is anyone's guess.

Originally posted by beezzer
The US is driving AWAY from a representative republic.

Whether our destination is near communism, socialism, fascism, corporatism, or -ism is anyone's guess.

The US has never been a true representative republic. You are mixing economic systems with political systems btw.

It's no guess it's quite easy to see what is happening. We are heading to the complete domination of the economy by a small minority of capitalists. Call it corporatism if you like but it is a construct of capitalism.

Politically we are becoming more fascist. Our state system will never be fully fascist because it is capitalists running the state, not the military. I guess we could call the political system corporatism, but the economic system will stay capitalist.

Unless WE wake up to this reality, and take control of our own lives.

reply to post by ANOK


All these terms!

I like simple.

We are here--------------------------------------------------> Slavery (this is where we are heading)

I don't know if the US is on the road to communism.

If the simple definition of Communism is one where the state controls the economy, then look to who controls the state. Since our government is for sale to the highest bidder, the ones promoting communism would be the big corporations and banks that want the government in their pocket to do their bidding, rather than follow the rules of free market capitalism.

Those that agree with these entities being able to buy policies to suit them are the problem, Especially since these very large entities have more money than anyone else, and the politicians will listen to them.

If our government ceased to exist, many large corporations and wall street banks would go under without having a Government + Military to control foreign and domestic policy for them at the expense of every other business and person in this country,

Originally posted by beezzer
All these terms!

I like simple.

We are here--------------------------------------------------> Slavery (this is where we are heading)

But lol if you don't understand the terms then you can have no idea what is going on, and what you might be able to change. Or for that matter argue against anything in a forum.

We really do have the power to change, but we allow ourselves to be overwhelmed by the artificial complexity of it all. It's really not as complex as we are made to believe. Understand the basic meaning of terms, and you will have a better understanding of history, and thus a better understand of what is happening now and what it might lead to.

People will allow a dictatorship because they believe it is the opposite of what it actually is. That is how Hitler came to power. Mussolini got his political power through the Italian socialist party, he wasn't a socialist, it was just a platform to gain power. He was thrown out of the party for supporting military action, something socialists are apposed to. The Bolsheviks used the workers, claiming to be socialists, to gain state power.

In modern times we have the illusion of democracy, when in reality the state is ran by and for capitalist interests.
Yet people can't seem to see past what they're told, capitalism is freedom and communism is slavery. Even when shown overwhelming proof they still refuse to accept the grand illusion they have fallen for.

All governments lie, not just the "enemy".

"As Socialism in general, Anarchism was born among the people; and it will continue to be full of life and creative power only as long as it remains a thing of the people." From the book 'Modern Science and Anarchism' p.5, Peter Kropotkin, 1908

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