Overlooked evidence in School shooting

From here: Newtown Area Police and Fire 12-14-2012 9:13 To 9:43 am

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actual time (radio time)

9:36:00 (23:00) 911 caller reports shooting at Sandy Hook......actual time of shooting shortly before.....
9:36:45 (23:45) caller reports glass broke near front door
9:37:20 (24:20) continues to hear gun fire
9:38:25 (25:25) shooting stopped
9:39:22 (26:10) more shooting
9:39:30 (26:30) police chasing someone near Crestwood ave.
9:41:05 (28:05) last known shots near front of the building

Shooting from around 9:35 to 9:40...........

From here: Newtown Area Police and Fire 12-14-2012 9:43 To 10:13 am
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9:43:50 (:50) different caller reports 1 female in room 1 with gunshot to the foot
9:45:50 (2:50) police enter school for first time
9:45:55 (2:55) I got bodies here
9:51:36 (8:36) we got 1 suspect down
9:51:44 (8:46) where?
9:51:54 (8:55) where is suspect down? (the answer was encrypted)
9:55:35 (12:35) be advised he should have multiple weapons including long rifle and shotgun
9:58:15 (15:15) that's all we know at this time....
9:58:35 (15:35) end the life of Adam
10:00:50 (17:50)need buses here call Danbury if you have too......

From here: Fairfield County Police Fire and EMS 12-14-2012 10:04-10:34 am
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10:28:18 (24:18) closet in the kitchen has victim's
10:30:57 (26:57) one of the places is in the kitchen there is a teacher and 18 kids

So the shooting took place for about 5 minutes off and on.
Police enter the school approx. 9 minutes after the first 911 call. That amount of time passing for anyone who had multiple gunshots would be fatal and there would be no way to revive them. Bodies are seen immediately after entering, probably the 2 who rushed the gunman. Now for 4 minutes there are no reports of activity. A suspect is reported down.....ok Adam or someone outside? Neither person on the radio sounds like the officer who entered the school. Do they mean down as in dead or down as in alive and shot or maybe just captured? 10 minutes after going into the school we hear he should have multiple weapons including long rifle and shotgun. If he is talking about Adam then he has NOT found him yet. If he is not talking about Adam then he is saying to look for another shooter with those weapons. Did he get a description from someone in the school? He surely had enough time to see at least some spent casings or shells as he already has seen a few bodies. During this time he does NOT say he found a dead suspect near the front door in the hallway as 1 newspaper reported. I recently found another article that claims Adam entered an empty class and shot himself. He also does NOT say anything about finding 2 classrooms near the front door full of victim's. Did they not clear those first? The doors would have been opened? We hear some encrypted traffic obviously asking for a status and we only hear that's all we know at this time. 20 seconds later we hear end the life of Adam. Was Adam still alive? If someone did take him out they would have had to do it very quietly. I forgot to add that shortly before the statement end the life of Adam the same officer tells other police to stay outside of the school. WHY?? The school has yet to be cleared and 1 or more shooters are still at large. It became VERY obvious the first officer who entered found a large number of victim's at 10:00:50, approx. 15 minutes after entering the school. Again if they were all in or near the front door and 2 classrooms close by why did it take 15 minutes to find them? At 10:28 there is some sort of an emergency vehicle approaching the scene and asks where to go when they are told by the dispatcher I think, one of the places is the closet in the kitchen it has victims. Are they dead or alive and why he is he directing them there? If these victim's are alive you would think they would have jut been escorted out. A few minutes later on the radio we hear the same officer who first entered the school say one of the places is the kitchen it has 1 teacher and 18 kids. Again why is he saying this? If this is a large group of deceased how did they get there? Well we know several parents were on there way to help bake gingerbread houses. Ok so they were in the kitchen already....that fast? Within minutes after school started they went straight to the kitchen? If this was the 2 classes mixed and taken to the kitchen what happened to the other children? If the shooter(s) had to go find them in the kitchen were they specifically looking for certain kids or was it random? Was there more than 1 shooter and did they enter in different locations? There appears to have been more than 1 weapon either physically seen or evidenced by spent ammo. I think what was NOT said on the radio was just as important as what was. IMO it is not possible for such an inexperienced person such as Adam to have done this. NO WAY.

reply to post by SMOKINGGUN2012


"End the life of Adam" seems like an incredibly awkward phrase that no one would actually say. I think people are mishearing this.

I don't know how helpful it is to intensely scrutinize these tapes. Surely there is a lot of information not there and a huge potential for coming to incorrect conclusions.

No one has found any evidence that would be considered a smoking gun pointing to a conspiracy on this matter and I don’t think they will although many are certainly trying to make it seem like they have but everything so far that has been presented as such has been hyperbole, conjecture, or just plain incorrect. Some have asked reasonable logical answers while there are others who have gone off the deep end and have left the realm of reality behind and their assertions are completely devoid supportive evidence.

I don’t think any level of scrutiny over the available evidence will change anything.

reply to post by DelMarvel


Agree. It's probably more like "aim the rifle at him". That seems more plausible. I can't rap my head around the claim that it said "end the life of Adam", which would suggest that they somehow knew, in advance, that the shooter's name was Adam.

Originally posted by Grimpachi... everything so far that has been presented as such has been hyperbole, conjecture, or just plain incorrect.

Are you talking about comments on this forum, or the statements made by various police/media sources?

And where's the rest of those pix you were teasing us with?

reply to post by starviego


Here's another original photo taken at the same location/studio on the same date. The photo was taken on Jul 27, 2006 at Manhattan at historic Rockefeller Center, Studio 8H using a Panasonic camera model DMC-LZ2.

Does anyone remember in JFK when Joe Pesci says......It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma.
Well read this about Sandy hook:

www.veteranstoday.com...

Sandy Hook included, not just the act itself, but weeks of managed news, manipulation of social media, the creation of endless layers of conspiracies and, worst of all, the creation of dozens of “trails” meant to lead to dead ends.

Sandy Hook was one conspiracy inside a dozen conspiracies, all quite real, cars, guns, identities, invented people and “bread crumbs” that led everywhere.

Originally posted by starviego

Originally posted by Grimpachi... everything so far that has been presented as such has been hyperbole, conjecture, or just plain incorrect.

Are you talking about comments on this forum, or the statements made by various police/media sources?

And where's the rest of those pix you were teasing us with?

edit on 27-1-2013 by starviego because: (no reason given)

If you couldn’t understand my statement there is something wrong.

Why are you asking me for pictures? Can you not remember the names of members you read things from because you certainly didn’t read anything of the sort from me? What’s wrong with you?

Originally posted by Fidelios
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Here's another original photo taken at the same location/studio on the same date. The photo was taken on Jul 27, 2006 at Manhattan at historic Rockefeller Center, Studio 8H using a Panasonic camera model DMC-LZ2.

Thank you. Is that supposed to be Ryan Lanza? You sound like you have the inside track. I don't suppose you could tell us how you got those images?

reply to post by starviego



You're welcome. Starv, I'm more than happy to provide direct source link but there are photos of other folks that my not want their faces identified or linked to this Lanza Sandy Hook family. How can I get the link to you without posting here? I'm not 100% certain if this photo is Adam or Ryan. It looks like Adam.

Originally posted by shasta9600

Originally posted by SMOKINGGUN2012
Anybody seen THIS overlooked evidence..............

www.katiecouric.com...

Get the barf bag in hand, you'll need it. Don't believe a word of it. Another rediculous performance.

In that interview, the woman confirms that black sweatshirts (plural) were strewn about the Honda.

We also saw them in photos. How many pairs of Sweatshirts was Adam wearing, and how many Chinese fire drills did he do around the vehicle while taking them off?

I had initially suspected that the police had pulled them out of the car when clearing it, but this interview implies otherwise and seems like a significant detail to me.

reply to post by Fidelios
You can PM other members via Tools -> Messages, links and such will work in them. I'm curious how you came across these photos?

From photos of Ryan and Adam floating around that I have seen, he appears to be Adam to me too.
But who knows! It's weird how some photos have him looking fairly normal, than a couple others he looks like a complete spook.

reply to post by starviego

I just sent a U2U. hopefully you will be able to discern who we are looking at from the photos.

reply to post by Sek82

Thank you. please check U2U message!

Here's an interesting new comment:

www.courant.com...
1-25-13
"I don't think that Mr. Lanza was a secret," (Rep. Mitch Bolinsky, a Republican from Newtown on the Legislative Newtown Task Force) said. "There were many people that knew of him as a threat, and yet he was in a position to do the unspeakable."

What is he talking about? Does he have information that AL was threatening people?

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reply to post by Fidelios


If it was 2006 then Adam would have been 14, that really doesn't look like a 14 year old. It must be his brother, it looks like someone about 18. I agree it looks a lot like Adam, just too old for that date.

I happened to end up on Wiki reading it's version of the story and it lists references to the radio recordings. The link it gave was to this article dated Dec 19:

usnews.nbcnews.com...

Then, an hour after the first call, the horror of the crime was laid bare as an officer at the scene spoke of “victims” in a closet

“There’s a teacher and 18 kids there,” he said in a grim voice.

I see you left out the part about the kitchen closet. This is the first article I have read that does not place the entire crime scene in the 2 classrooms by the front door and hall.

At 9:49 a.m., an officer described what may have been Lanza shooting himself with one of his handguns as cops swarmed the building. “Shots were fired about three minutes ago,” the officer said. “Quiet at the time.” Four minutes later came word that Lanza was dead. “One suspect down. The building has now been cleared,” a voice said. Then, a cataloguing of Lanza’s arsenal: “Multiple weapons, including one rifle and handguns.”

I see this interpretation concludes this last shot and suspect down to equal Lanza dead, oh and no they did NOT say the building was clear at that point. Also I see you left out the shotgun part and inserted handguns.....you can CLEARLY hear shotgun.

I think I might drop this reporter an email.

reply to post by SMOKINGGUN2012


You're right. The third recording doesn't match the story of him going into the nearest two classrooms. Last night I listened to the recordings you linked at the top of this page, and the reference to finding so many victims in the kitchen has been really troubling me since. I can't think of an interpretation that doesn't mean shooting victims, if they were alive they'd have been evacuated long before that conversation was happening.

'Kitchen' might mean a home economics classroom (if they'd have such a classroom in an elementary school). That could be the 'multi-purpose room', but if the map's correct that's a long way away from the classrooms the children were supposed to be in. It might make sense that a teacher wouldn't have a key to that room, if it's not their usual classroom, so the shooter could get in. If that map's correct, the multi-purpose room is near the gym, and the kids in the gym apparently heard very clearly what was happening, but it seems strange the shooter wouldn't have gone into the gym first, unless that teacher was able to lock the doors.

Link to the school plan - I don't know if it's already been posted on here and I have no idea how accurate it is, but linking in case as it's the only plan of the school I've seen.

You're also correct that the scanner clearly mentions a shotgun, not handgun.

reply to post by Brocade


There are articles that describe a teacher, Soto I think, telling the shooter all the kids were in the gym. Did he or any other shooter target certain kids or was this just random? If they were taken there why and if they were found and shot why this group of kids?

usnews.nbcnews.com...
The recordings begin at 9:35 a.m. with a dispatcher calmly reporting a 911 call about “somebody shooting in the building, At 9:49 a.m., an officer described what may have been Lanza shooting himself with one of his handguns as cops swarmed the building.
“Shots were fired about three minutes ago,” the officer said.

So the shooter had free reign from about 9:30am to at least 9:46am. If the first 911 call was at 9:35am then it would have been at least 11 minutes for the cops to get there and enter the school. An eternity for the victims. How far away were the police when they got the word? I still get the feeling somebody was delaying their response..

reply to post by starviego


No the shooter didn't run wild for 11 minutes......I did not list that in the recording because he said about 3 minutes ago. Well what is about? Also 3 minutes does not match the actual recordings at all. Police are on the phone with someone at 9:43 and they say nothing of shooting like the others did. The last known shots were reported at 9:41 and no shots reported after that. About 3 minutes was actually more like 9.