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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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reply to post by Asktheanimals
 


Red flags are popping out of the woodwork for me. Here is one that fits nicely with taking their version on faith.




posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Errrrr, if you're a hunter, how much experience do you have with .223/5.56 nato?
You do understand this round is designed to tumble once it enters it's target right? There are cases of 5.56/.223 fragmenting inside their targets. They don't tend to be through and through rounds. Partly why Western military has adopted them, it prevents rounds from penetrating a target, then anything behind them. Nothing like engaging the enemy in an urban area and having your round go through the target and into a home filled with civilians.


When the bullet impacts at high velocity and yaws[3] in tissue, fragmentation creates a rapid transfer of energy which can result in dramatic wounding effects.[4][5][6]


en.wikipedia.org...

This is in-part why many nato rifles are now chambered in this round, it's a more efficient round on human targets.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Interesting that they had at least three - or more - wounds.

Military guys, can you confirm that the M16/M4 selector has a 3-round burst setting?

Keep in mind the muzzle drift of full auto. A 3-round burst doesn't stray as far.

Makes a bit of sense.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by stirling
 


The shotgun was in the trunk, I saw the video of them removing it that night.
Why wait so long to search his trunk though?
Seriously........????
Not police procedure to wait 8 hours to search a perp's car.


They might have waited til the crime scene people had all their photos and prints before physically removing it.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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M16 and M4 are two different weapons. But to answer your question as it relates to the shooting, the civilian version of an M4 does NOT have a 3 round burst otherwise it wouldn't be classified as a semi-auto and wouldn't be legal without a FFL or special permit, which Lanza didn't have, so the weapon was a semi-auto only.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Standard issue M4 fire selector is safe, semi, and full auto. M16 depending on variant comes with semi, safe, full auto, or semi, safe and three round burst.

M16A2's were issued with sem, safe and full auto.

Any and all armalites, can be configured in either manner, I've even seen some selectors, that provide, safe, semi, three round and full auto. It really depends, on what lower is being used with the upper. If he was using an AR-15 depending on state regulations he could have had a weapon with full auto or three round burst.

Another member above, has mentioned by state law Semi auto is the only available option in his area, so no he did not have either. A majority of civilian fire arms regardless of maker do not offer this option if the state laws do not allow it.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


Errrrr, if you're a hunter, how much experience do you have with .223/5.56 nato?
You do understand this round is designed to tumble once it enters it's target right? There are cases of 5.56/.223 fragmenting inside their targets. They don't tend to be through and through rounds. Partly why Western military has adopted them, it prevents rounds from penetrating a target, then anything behind them. Nothing like engaging the enemy in an urban area and having your round go through the target and into a home filled with civilians.


When the bullet impacts at high velocity and yaws[3] in tissue, fragmentation creates a rapid transfer of energy which can result in dramatic wounding effects.[4][5][6]


en.wikipedia.org...

This is in-part why many nato rifles are now chambered in this round, it's a more efficient round on human targets.


Depends entirely on the round.

You don't think 5.56 would travel through multiple bodies, especially unarmored children?




posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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I had a bit of an epiphany while talking to friends...

Now think outside the box for a minute purely in jest:

What if instead of gun restrictions, the ultimate goal is gun sales and proliferation?

All of the big arms manufacturers are in deep with all the other fat cats in banking, industry, etc.
So it could actually add up.

Also consider the fact gun sales have increased this week.

Heck it was my natural reaction to all this propaganda and fear, i wanted to buy a gun. So did my non gun having friends.

Yeah lets buy multiple guns, and tons of ammo, then go expend it and come get more. Lets all be gun grabbers and grab em up before its banned, cha ching $$$
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Asktheanimals
 


I had a bit of an epiphany while talking to friends...

Now think outside the box for a minute purely in jest:

What if instead of gun restrictions, the ultimate goal is gun sales and proliferation?

All of the big arms manufacturers are in deep with all the other fat cats in banking, industry, etc.
So it could actually add up.

Also consider the fact gun sales have increased this week.


Consider the fact that since Obama as been in office, all the fear mongering about him going after your guns for four years amounted to HUGE sales. And Obama never took so much as a step towards going after anyone's guns. he receives an F from every liberal gun control advocacy group.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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I'm sorry because I have not read the full thread here. Please forgive me if someone has already posted this. I heard Rush Limbaugh say today that Adam Lanza was a vegan because he didn't believe in hurting animals.

This really doesn't make any sense.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Hey everyone, I don't know if someone has stated this already but.. Anyone notice the caliber of the rifle? ".223 = 322." AKA "Skull and Bones"

The Skull and Bones were also founded in CT!

Here is a quote from the Wiki Article:


Skull & Bones is a regular feature in many conspiracy theories, which claim that the society plays a role in a global conspiracy for world domination. It is true that some prominent families had one or more members as Bonesmen. Theorists such as Alexandra Robbins suggest that Skull & Bones is a branch of the Illuminati,[32] or that Skull & Bones itself controls the Central Intelligence Agency.[44] Others who have written about Skull & Bones were economist Antony C. Sutton, who wrote a book on the group titled America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones.[45] and Kris Millegan, who wrote a book on the society in 2003.[46][47]

en.wikipedia.org...

Just thought it was strange...Who knows maybe I'm just overtired and over-analyzing.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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At high velocities the .223/5.56 nato round tumbles, the closer you are to your target increases the odds of fragmentation. The current issue with the standard M885 round is outside of 50m with an M4 or 200m with an M16 the rounds do not yaw and fragment which severely hinders their lethality.

They have introduced new rounds for this very reason. The M855A1 is a steel tipped copper round(no lead), which extends the fragmentation, stopping power(lethality), accuracy and penetration of the round.


It is still possible for a .233/5.56 to penetrate multiple targets, but at a range of a few feet being he muzzle velocity is the highest closest to the muzzle, and the angle of his shooting Yaw and fragmentation is almost a guarantee. Ever shot a .223 into water? what happen to it? We are mainly water. There is an extremely high probability those rounds fragmented after the first few inches of penetration. It would have been an awful site.

Oh and you missed something in that video. The M855, is a steel core penetrater round, and he even says after the shot the round fragmented. It's what the round is meant to do, with a steel core penetrater the core will likely continue through the target like it was designed to do.

I do not see the shooter having M855 rounds, he most likely had FMJ, which would tumble and fragment in the target.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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I found a link. This just doesn't add up.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Even if this is a lone nut killing...

You gotta admit it looks like the arms industry, the msm, and whoever else that is oppurtunistic ( and lacks ethics ) are gonna make some big $

They way its all being presented and so angry and fear mongering.
Something sure doesnt look right here and it transcends this massacre.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Just because someone is a vegan and doesn't want to hurt animals doesn't mean they won't harm humans.

ALF

In 1982, letter bombs were sent to all four major party leaders in the UK, including the prime minister, Margaret Thatcher. In November 1984

In September 1985, incendiary devices were placed under the cars of Dr. Sharat Gangoli and Dr. Stuart Walker, both animal researchers with the British Industrial Biological Research Association (BIBRA), wrecking both vehicles but with no injuries, and with the ARM claiming responsibility. In January 1986, the ARM said it had placed devices under the cars of four employees of Huntingdon Life Sciences, timed to explode an hour apart from each other. A further device was placed under the car of Dr. Andor Sebesteny, a researcher for the Imperial Cancer Research Fund, which he spotted before it exploded.

Vegan doesn't mean harmless.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Did anyone here play the vid I posted above? I couldn't believe what came out of that PO's mouth! It sounded to me like all of us may be charged for saying the type of things we're saying here on social networks.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Considering this was a civilian round, I'm going to get you a vid of .223 FMJ, until it's said otherwise he had a rifle rated for military grade ammunition we are safe to assume he had a civilian variant with civilian loads.

Let's take a gander at what a .223 FMJ does in ballistics gel(human flesh simulant)



Another civilian round, this one mind you is designed for shorter barreled weapons.




posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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I watched it live on TV as it was happening. Just because he threatens it doesn't mean he can do it.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
reply to post by Asktheanimals
 


Red flags are popping out of the woodwork for me. Here is one that fits nicely with taking their version on faith.




Why would he make vague threats to make us stop posting about it?
Its a toothless threat unless they wanna black bag people or get em on unrelated charges.
Still its quite vindictive and malevolent.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Carreau
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I watched it live on TV as it was happening. Just because he threatens it doesn't mean he can do it.


They cant legally do it.

They have to break rules to punish people for talking.
Plus notice he didnt blame mainstream outlets for disinfo even tho the story changes constantly?





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