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Overlooked evidence in School shooting

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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide


wow! I just read this...


I googled this and looked a little deeper. The cop was arrested and charged with murder, I dont know if the trial has been performed yet. His mother was jailed for going through his personnel file and potentially taking files out to make him look better. The Husband of Patricia Cook (the victim) was found dead recently and the coroner says that he died of natural causes. Sad story, I found the story on the local news outlet there in Culpeper VA WUSA9




posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Carreau
The weapon in question is being reported as a SEMI-AUTO, not a full Auto. Lanza's mother would not be able to purchase a full auto weapon in CT without a special permit from the federal gov.


So in America, when you move to another state, are there checkpoints at state borders with guards ready to search your vehicles for guns legally bought elsewhere?

What is to stop his mother from buying this out of state and taking it there with her? Why is it so easy to ignore these obvious flaws in the supposed narrative?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by circuitsports
If the op had ever fired a fully automatic weapon he would know that in fact you can't shoot someone in the face 3x with one unless the barrel was in there mouth or something.


an AR15 has nearly zero recoil... you can view the videos of full auto on youtube.


notice the platform is not as stabil as one can hold it with two arms...



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
Here, SHUT UP and listen.


Um, no.
Perhaps you could be more civil though.


Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
Motive: don't need one, kid was mentally disturbed and from what I've read likely on some very powerful psych meds...a common link to this kind of thing. Some people are just nuts.


Um, yes we do and so do courts of law.


Originally posted by liquidsmoke206

Men were seen fleeing into the woods: Yeah, well, I'm a man and if someone is shooting up my school and there are woods near by guess where I'm running to?


Somebody ran from the police. If you heard shooting you would you run away from the cops? I'd feel safer with their protection if I were innocent.


Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
Sorry guys I'm as much a fan of conspiracies as anyone else, but you're all making yourselves and abovetopsecret.com look pretty stupid with some of these latest threads.
Anything else you want me to debunk about y'alls idiotic claims?


As a matter of fact how about addressing the original question posed in the OP? The forensic ballistic evidence - the number of shots taken, shot placement, number of shell casings and magazines and where they were found. That is all critical evidence in a case like this and we have heard next to nothing regarding it except for the number of wounds sustained by the victims.

Thanks for calling me stupid and generally debasing the conversation.
Really adds that personal touch.
And congrats on debunking everything about the case in a couple of paragraphs.
You Da Man!



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Here is my problem with motive...

The kids profile leads me to suspect a vengence motive, like maybe payback for being mistreated.

But then you see location. He didnt even know these ppl but choose this target specifically. Why?

The motive that fits his profile doesnt fit the location or methodology.


Can we all agree on whether or not he went to this school?


No we cannot.
Got evidence?

Or is this believe MSM without question day?


When the alternative is to believe rumour, suspicion, delusion and random "I think this happened" on here? I'm more inclined to believe what the people on the scene have to say. But then, according to all the people here, hundreds of Police, family, neighbours, emergency teams, medical staff, they're all lying and "in on it" too, right?

I don't trust the MSM any more than the average person on here, but you can't call it black and white as you are. You say the MSM isn't offering any evidence, but neither are any of the people on ATS, all i've seen here is speculation and outlandish BS that means nothing.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Pretty much exactly what I think. Sanity needs to be restored to ATS



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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This whole story has stunk of conspiracy, ever since it happened. Too many "coincidences" to believe it is, as we are told. There's ALWAYS more to it than meets the eye. IMHO this story, in my eyes is:
If you get the chance, do an image search of Newtown, CT. Let me know if you find anyone crying, in any of the pictures. That, to me, seems mind boggling. Sure, there's LOTS of hugging, but not a tear in sight.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Carreau
The weapon in question is being reported as a SEMI-AUTO, not a full Auto. Lanza's mother would not be able to purchase a full auto weapon in CT without a special permit from the federal gov.


So in America, when you move to another state, are there checkpoints at state borders with guards ready to search your vehicles for guns legally bought elsewhere?

What is to stop his mother from buying this out of state and taking it there with her? Why is it so easy to ignore these obvious flaws in the supposed narrative?


Why is it so easy for you to respond without fact checking?

One does not just simply buy a machine gun. For two reasons A: it takes a long time for the paperwork to go through and its very expensive to do so relative to the cost of a normal rifle. And B: you can't just order a new machine gun. Which is why fully automatic rifles that are legal to buy for civilians and of the type used are 15,000 dollars right now and have been for years.

the one in the link below is believed to be pre 1965 and is still that expensive.

www.gunsamerica.com...


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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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why do they have masks?

because then they can substitute anyone they want. the fact the home computer was smashed with a hammer or screw driver should be suspect enough, he just shot his mom in the face 3- 4 times and is going to take time to destroy computer with a screw driver and a hammer,, why not just light it up with a clip he had like 20 of them lol?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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How in anyway is it clear that he was "placed" at the scene after he was "killed". He was mentally ill. With a history of instability and mental illness.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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"Somebody ran from the police. If you heard shooting you would you run away from the cops? I'd feel safer with their protection if I were innocent."

yah just like the guy who ran out from a hostage situation and they shot him to death, lol f that ill take my chances running lol.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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How about this:

www.youtube.com...

4 handguns federal and state officials...............................FEDERAL AND STATE OFFICIALS

Ok now it is time for the FBI to play a game of name your source........



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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"Not only would she have to submit to a full and comprehensive background check conducted by the DOJ, fingerprinting, local law enforcement approval, a $200 tax, and a 3-6 month waiting period... a legal M16 costs 10-15,000 dollars. No, that is not a mistake... after going through all the legal channels, a legal fully-automatic M16 costs 10-15 grand"

I don't think she would have a problem with the money, she was getting a pretty good sum from the divorce and monthly payments.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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There was something very very valuable on that drive...........this sounds like a movie scene out of a Bourne movie right?

What if this guy was a sleeper domestic asset?

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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
It seems pretty obvious that Lanza was killed and planted at the scene to make it appear as if he was the culprit.


thats a completely baseless qoute from you and there is no evidence, not even circumstantial at this point, to indicate that any kind of conspiracy is underway.

It seems pretty obvious? based on what, exactly. and i mean exactly.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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Also from what I read earlier in this thread, it sounds possible that police may have fired on innocent people. I assume this was "friendly fire" and not part of a conspiracy but it would certainly make me not want to run towards the police.....



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
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"Somebody ran from the police. If you heard shooting you would you run away from the cops? I'd feel safer with their protection if I were innocent."

yah just like the guy who ran out from a hostage situation and they shot him to death, lol f that ill take my chances running lol.


yeah or the Norweigan massacre, where the killer was dressed as a police officer



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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I spent 20 years in the military. Carrying 7 30-round magazines for the M16 was actually common, and in many situations a light load. People of very slight build can easily carry much more than that, and the rifle itself is built to reduce recoil in order to broaden the pool of soldiers who are able to become proficient in marksmanship. Heavier rifles in .30 caliber that preceded the M16 were much harder to learn to shoot and the weight of the ammunition meant far fewer rounds of ammunition could be carried when compared weight to weight. And, .30 caliber rifle weapons in fully automatic mode are notorious for just spraying rounds into the air.

Much study has brought the military to the conclusion that fully-automatic individual weapons of any caliber are wasteful of ammunition in the sense that it takes a lot of experience to keep the flow of fire on target - almost every soldier will actually send their fire into the air, away from the intended target(s). This is why military weapons now have up to only a 3-round burst available. If the weapon in this situation had been fully-automatic there would be a lot of misses compared to hits.

In the 1930s there were trick shooters and exhibition shooters who were able to fire all 6 rounds out of a revolver, and hit playing cards at handgun range, cycling (with one hand) double-action revolvers like the Smith & Wesson model 10 faster than the same shooters with a Colt 1911A1 could cycle the weapon in semi-automatic fire. People who witnessed such exhibitions stated that the 6 shots came so fast it sounded like a single, long bang.

Fully-automatic fire is not necessary in this situation. All it takes is a little practice and the determination of fully-automatic insanity.



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