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Overlooked evidence in School shooting

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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Who was the man in camoflauge in the woods, who was taken into custody?


School shooting: Possible second gunman in custody
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CBSNewsOnline





A witness tells WFSB-TV that a second man was taken out of the woods in handcuffs wearing a black jacket and camouflage pants and telling parents on the scene, “I did not do it.”


connecticut.cbslocal.com...


School shooting: Witness describes man in custody

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edit on 19-12-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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I agree.......but....the video clearly shows the police clearing a shotgun from the trunk they said it had 1 round. I will try to find the video. BTW I am not sure who is responsible for this......not gonna beat myself up over that BUT I know it was not this kid all by himself.....no way.......After 9/11 it took years to put all the info together about how that was suspicious. NOW with the web and all of us trained conspiracy sleuths, we start looking for stuff immediately and things get put together within days......do they really think we are that damm stupid???



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
There is something so blatantly obvious about the massacre that has not been questioned until now. The coroner who autopsied the bodies said that every victim was shot between 3 and 11 times each. Regardless of the weapon supposedly used would it make any sense that someone would use that many bullets per person? Lanza would have had to pull the trigger once for each and every shot fired according to the OS.

So let's say the average shots per victim is 7 bullets.with 25 victims at the school. That's 175 shots. My point being that the Bushmaster .223 used in the murders was probably fully automatic. That would account for the exceptional number of wounds sustained by each of the victims and doesn't include misses which for the sake of argument we'll say he missed once for every 3 shots fired. That's another 47 bullets + 175 gives us 222 (by contrast the Clackamas mall shooter used 50 rounds)

We're talking at least 7 - 30 round clips and he supposedly had hundreds more rounds on him.
It really makes much more sense that it was an automatic weapon used, it accounts for the excessive number of wounds per victim (his mother was shot 3 times in the face - a likely result of automatic fire).
I have my doubts that anyone shooting semi-automatic could have killed so many people in such a short time. I also have my doubts about the supposed shooter's ability with firearms which makes the OS that much more difficult to accept.

The pattern of bullet holes in the school will tell the real story, so I have my doubts such evidence will ever be released to the public. We probably won't ever see any video footage of the shooter as Adam Lanza's slight build would be apparent even while wearing a tac vest. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I am very familiar with firearms and these events simply do not make sense as presented.
edit on 18-12-2012 by Asktheanimals because: corrections



He said all of the victims at the school, including 20 first-graders and six adults, were shot with a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle and that "numerous" magazines were emptied at the scene.

Source - www.newsday.com...
edit on 18-12-2012 by Asktheanimals because: added link


I dunno. According to Wikipedia, he shot his mother four times in the head with a Marlin .22. (Not an automatic, as far as I know.) It would seem logical that he also shot his later victims in a similar manner; namely, repeat shots to make sure they were dead. I have no idea what his motive was, but if the children were neither resisting nor running, it would seem easy for him to simply walk up and trigger off a few rounds until he was satisfied they were dead. Shoot, he might not have even missed more than once or twice. I seriously doubt that he was using an automatic weapon.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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But then... what about those 2 (?) persons that survived the attack. For sure, they should know, who (and possibly how many people) shot at them!?

What is known about their reports. Are there any reports of them?
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
Who was the man in camoflauge in the woods, who was taken into custody?


School shooting: Possible second gunman in custody
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CBSNewsOnline





A witness tells WFSB-TV that a second man was taken out of the woods in handcuffs wearing a black jacket and camouflage pants and telling parents on the scene, “I did not do it.”


connecticut.cbslocal.com...


that was apparently a police officer, so the WMAL talk radio was saying just after it happened on the day of the shooting... peaked my curiosity too, specially now with real evidence of full automatic fire.

we will never see inside the school as it was happening like Columbine... and I wouldn't put it past a rampaging police office caught in a love triangle with one of the teachers or something.

here is another suspicious case involving a Catholic school teacher...



have a look at her husband.


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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide


that was apparently a police officer, so the WMAL talk radio was saying just as/after it /happening/happened... peaked my curiosity too, specially now with real evidence of full automatic fire.


he was out of uniform then, if that is true. Why?
Why was he there, what was he doing?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Apparently he spent a lot of time at the firing range with his mother who was a gun enthusiast, so he knew how to handle guns and was proficient in their use. You're probably right that it was fully automatic, and must have been based on what you're saying.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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I don't know... I didn't hear anything about wearing camo, at the time all they said was an officer.

cops around my way got the military look going on, they're really into it with the external swat vests and boots and trimmings (most of the ones with the complex anyway)


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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Cant seem to find a mention of it in the media at all.
Nothing.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Where have I seen that husband before?!?!?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Back when the story was that Ryan was the shooter, allegedly because of an ID that had his Hoboken, NJ
address. The investigators went to that address and it was reported they found a body and crime scene tape
was wrapped around the scene.

Then the story changed to it being Adam. So a new story was reported detailing how Adam had travelled to
NJ the day before this shooting and killed the person at the address who was then ID to be their father.

How did this story get rectified? It merely disappeared.

Things like this can't just be explained as mistaken reporting. It involved finding a body in a home in NJ belonging to Ryan Lanza.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Asktheanimals
 

Apparently he spent a lot of time at the firing range with his mother who was a gun enthusiast, so he knew how to handle guns and was proficient in their use. You're probably right that it was fully automatic, and must have been based on what you're saying.


actually... the gun range in question says he didn't log a single round at the range.

if the NRA needs to stress anything in their speech on friday they need to talk about securing firearms in you home... a gun safe for anything such as an AR should be mandatory, though it'll be hard to enforce and know if one is present.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by FistOfFreedom
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Where have I seen that husband before?!?!?


come to think of it...

now you got me wondering.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by SMOKINGGUN2012
A few thoughts......and updates......
Just reported on FOXNEWS......a 25 year old former Marine says the kid was mad that his mom cared more about the kids at school she volunteered for than him and that he saw that court papers that she was preparing to have him committed.......How does your kool aid taste folks??? We now have motive.......

And where did he get his information? He 'heard' it. Not exactly the best of sources.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Wow, conspiracies on ATS are not what they used to be....

Remember back when conspiracy theorists on this site actually came up with theories and evidence that have weight.....

[SNIP]

Motive: don't need one, kid was mentally disturbed and from what I've read likely on some very powerful psych meds...a common link to this kind of thing. Some people are just nuts.

Source(just one of MANY)

Gun in the trunk: Really!!? This is the best anyone can do for inconsistencies? So let me get this straight...it's more likely to all(or most) of you that his body was planted, or that muslim terrorists, or the Mossad, or our own government did this than maybe just maybe he ran back out to the car to grab lighter weapons out of the trunk and ditched the rifle that had expended all or most of the bullets. Wow.

Men were seen fleeing into the woods: Yeah, well, I'm a man and if someone is shooting up my school and there are woods near by guess where I'm running to? I mean using this same logic I'm surprised that no one has accused the kids running into the woods of being accomplices.

Sorry guys I'm as much a fan of conspiracies as anyone else, but you're all making yourselves and abovetopsecret.com look pretty stupid with some of these latest threads.

Anything else you want me to debunk about y'alls idiotic claims?
edit on 12/19/2012 by tothetenthpower because: --Mod Edit--Civility Is Required.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by StalkerSolent
I dunno. According to Wikipedia, he shot his mother four times in the head with a Marlin .22. (Not an automatic, as far as I know.) It would seem logical that he also shot his later victims in a similar manner; namely, repeat shots to make sure they were dead. I have no idea what his motive was, but if the children were neither resisting nor running, it would seem easy for him to simply walk up and trigger off a few rounds until he was satisfied they were dead. Shoot, he might not have even missed more than once or twice. I seriously doubt that he was using an automatic weapon.


That's what it says on huffingtonpost as well. I'd heard earlier that she was shot 3 times, but, like most of the rest of the story, I guess that was revised.

If this whole thing is on the level then the media has been absolutely awful in reporting the story. Where were they getting their tips?


Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
Wow, conspiracies on ATS are not what they used to be....

Remember back when conspiracy theorists on this site actually came up with theories and evidence that have weight.....


Who needs evidence to call the whole thing into question when the media keeps tripping over itself and telling a different story depending on which hour of the day it is?
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
We need more sanity nef.... Please!!! ATS is being overrun by these theories.


Are we all in a rush to hurry and convict Adam Lanza without any evidence?
Sorry, but I don't trust the word of our government - they've lied about Benghazi, 9/11, OKC, Invasion of Irag....need I go on? They;re the ones telling the media what to say about it.

At this point nearly everyone believes this 20 year old killed 27 people without seeing any compelling evidence that he did it. That's your choice, like with JFK by the time we learn the truth everyone connected with the crime was long dead.

I have to see more before I'm willing to put a Mass Murderer stamp on Adam Lanza.

If these threads irritate you so much why do you feel compelled to keep posting in them? Just watch the MSM and they will tell you what to believe.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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I listened to CNN yesterday. In one story it was said that the coroners had finished their examination and toxicology reports were "in". I thought it took longer than that to get them back but, anyway what I wanted
to mention was they went on to say that no one had come forward to claim either Adam or the Mother's body.
I thought that odd. She has a Mom supposedly in Brooksville, FL.

TampaBayTimes.com wrote:

BROOKSVILLE — The grandmother of Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old who authorities have identified as the gunman in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings, walked quietly down the steps from her mobile home Friday evening toward the porch door.

Dorothy Hanson's voice quivered slightly as she spoke.

She said she wasn't ready to talk and was "just trying to absorb it."

"They're my grandchildren," she said in answer to a Tampa Bay Times reporter's question about Adam Lanza and his brother, Ryan, whom officials initially mistakenly identified as the suspect.

Hanson, 78, is the mother of Nancy Lanza, who police say was a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School where the massacre occurred.

Hanson is a winter resident of a modest mobile home park on the south side of Brooksville. She said she was getting ready to return up North.

Hanson's Facebook page shows a Nov. 30 post saying she had arrived at her winter home in Florida and was happy to see her friends and neighbors.

A woman standing by Hanson on Friday night, who first answered the door, said Hanson was "beside herself right now."

A neighbor, Bill Bice, said he had never heard Hanson talk much about her family, though she said she had a son who was a police officer.

"She's a very nice lady," Bice said. "She would do anything to help anybody in the park."

Later in the evening, two Hernando deputies were stationed outside Hanson's home. A sheriff's spokeswoman told a reporter that another jurisdiction and Hanson's family had asked them to guard her home.

Times staff writers Tony Marrero and Dan Sullivan and researcher John Martin contributed to this report.

[Last modified: Dec 14, 2012 10:27 PM]

Copyright 2012 Tampa Bay Times


And:

HuffingtonPost.com wrote:

Adam Lanza's grandmother, Dorothy Champion, 78, lives in Brooksville, according to Baynews9.com. When contacted by telephone by the news station, she was too distraught to speak.

"I just don't know, and I can't make a comment right now," Champion told Baynews9.com before she hung up.


How did Nancy Lanza's mother go from being Hanson to Champion?
How come she didn't correct the erroneous reports of her daughter being a schoolteacher there?

Now she can't even be troubled to claim the bodies? I guess she's in the middle of an identity crisis herself.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Take heart OP. There are 46 of us here who think there is a very good chance that Adam was killed and left as a patsy at the school.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by liquidsmoke206Motive: don't need one, kid was mentally disturbed and from what I've read likely on some very powerful psych meds...a common link to this kind of thing. Some people are just nuts.

If you want to solve the crime, yes, you do need a motive. And mental illness, or Asperger's, is by itself not a motive.


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"No action can really be understood apart from motive which prompted it." Arthur Schopenhauer 1851.



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