If the tested applicant has more than 120 IQ, a "recall" command and an accompanying "trigger" word will be written into his personality during the Level One hypnosis session. This "trigger" will activate his recall program when we are ready for him. We then systematically do a background search and create a file for future reference. If there are no relatives, to speak of, the subject will be "recalled" and taken to a location of our choice. Further tests for vulnerability will be conducted at this location. If he passes these tests, he is then brought to Level 2 hypnosis where specific instructions are "written" (placed through hypnotic commands and suggestions) into his personality and he is given diverse small orders. If the subject, upon release, shows that he has retained the instructions which were "written" into his personality, and if he carries out the small and unimportant work duties which were assigned under Level 2 hypnosis, he will receive a "recall service notice".

This makes me think of the show "Dollhouse." It was ALL about mind control and programming and making "agents" to do whatever they were programmed to do. It involved key words or triggers and their handlers were the ones who controlled them. I loved that show, it was done by Joss Whedon however it only lasted about 2 Seasons.

Anyone who thinks this stuff is just fiction has never read into it. It is real and it IS scary. I have always been fascinated by the mind and psychology but this kind of manipulation really goes to a dark place that one has to have no soul whatsoever to do something like this to another human being. I don't doubt there are manchurian candidates out there. It is a scary thought to be honest. You just never know!

I also do think the govt would set up certain scenarios to further certain agendas. To them it's just "collateral damage" and that is it where to the rest of us it's a tragic event.



Crazy world we live in for sure.

I'm sorry, but it seems your link is to a blog of some sort. Where is the link showing this to be a CIA document?

Pfft. Pure fiction. That's not the way the Agency does it at all. Who writes that stuff?

This reminds of an experience I had (in fact THE experience that brought this once completely anti-conspiracy "you're an idiot if you believe in aliens and ghosts and what not" guy into to the world of conspiracy.) I "volunteered" (I was actually coerced...but this is an even longer story) to commit myself to psychiatric "help" in a hospital last year. I was there because of a suicide attempt on my part (I'm perfectly OK now). Anyway, during my stay there I noticed a couple of odd things in the ward. The oddest thing was a series of telephones that were set up around the room (which I thought was odd, because most of the patients I was with were completely out of their mind--I mean, rambling and just utterly distorted in thought, so I wasn't sure who they would actually be calling, anway).

But it gets stranger. I noticed that the phones would keep ringing every 10 or 20 minutes. They would just keep ringing and when you tried to answer, there would be no answer on the other side. At first I just dismissed this as some type of therapy for another patient. But, this event would happen every single day that I was there. Finally, I talked to one of the counselors about it and said "Ok, ok, so the phones aren't supposed to work, are they?".

Her response? To look at me blankly like I didn't know what I was talking about and refer to the desk phone, which I was allowed to use, even though they told other patients that that phone couldn't be used and not to ask.

Perhaps, the craziest experience I have ever had in my life. I felt like they were intentionally trying to make the patients go crazy at that place. So, when people say seemingly "crazy" things like the government as pys-ops research going on--and they are experimenting on people--I believe them.

Side note: I actually could go more into this story, but I would honestly just sound insane and I would rather members see me as the thoughtful rational person I try to be in most of my posts.

-Ghoster

Originally posted by Bedlam
Pfft. Pure fiction. That's not the way the Agency does it at all. Who writes that stuff?

And if you know so much why don't you contribute more than know it all sarcasm?

I have no doubt that something along these lines is somewhat real. I don't believe the details in this article are what really goes on, but hypnosis is very real.

To what extent programs like this have been taken, who knows?

One of the cable networks did a program showing how a correctional officer underwent several hypnosis sessions after been weeded out of a large applicant pool. The hypnotist could litterally snap his fingers and induce hypnotic state. The subject would wake up and not even know anything happened. They eventually programmed him, complete with a "trigger" to perform a fake shooting. I can't remember the name of the show, but it was quite fascinating.

I would imagine it would cost an ungodly ammount of money and time to realistically do this to someone. I also would imagine that after spending so many resources on someone -- they'd be hesitant to let the subject simply kill themselves.

If there are programs that are out there doing this, I would bet that they focus primarily on infiltration and intelligence gathering. The people picked for the programming are now "assets" and would be a shame to loose. I could see this being quite beneficial to deep cover agents, because well trained people can spot a liar. If you truly believe you are who you've been programmed to be -- you theoretically could pass a lie detector and any kind of torture/interrogation sessions.

I think the idea has probably been toyed around with, similar to the remote viewing programs of the Cold War. I would also bet that programs like these would make high level politicians very uneasy and nervous. Being able to program someone like a computer is an insane ammount of power!

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
And if you know so much why don't you contribute more than know it all sarcasm?

Sid Gottlieb came up with the approach they use now. Pity he's been gone for the last 13 years or you could ask him yourself.

The trick is not to come into direct conflict with the trainee's psyche - it's too ingrained. You hijack his normal responses instead. You can't do it to just anyone, either, you need to start with someone pretty dissociative, although in truth, Gottlieb was able to get fairly normal people to attempt to commit some pretty godawful stuff if legend is true.

"attempt" was probably just the first stage of that, too, knowing the Agency.

Originally posted by theghoster
This reminds of an experience I had (in fact THE experience that brought this once completely anti-conspiracy "you're an idiot if you believe in aliens and ghosts and what not" guy into to the world of conspiracy.) I "volunteered" (I was actually coerced...but this is an even longer story) to commit myself to psychiatric "help" in a hospital last year. I was there because of a suicide attempt on my part (I'm perfectly OK now). Anyway, during my stay there I noticed a couple of odd things in the ward. The oddest thing was a series of telephones that were set up around the room (which I thought was odd, because most of the patients I was with were completely out of their mind--I mean, rambling and just utterly distorted in thought, so I wasn't sure who they would actually be calling, anway).

But it gets stranger. I noticed that the phones would keep ringing every 10 or 20 minutes. They would just keep ringing and when you tried to answer, there would be no answer on the other side. At first I just dismissed this as some type of therapy for another patient. But, this event would happen every single day that I was there. Finally, I talked to one of the counselors about it and said "Ok, ok, so the phones aren't supposed to work, are they?".

Her response? To look at me blankly like I didn't know what I was talking about and refer to the desk phone, which I was allowed to use, even though they told other patients that that phone couldn't be used and not to ask.

Perhaps, the craziest experience I have ever had in my life. I felt like they were intentionally trying to make the patients go crazy at that place. So, when people say seemingly "crazy" things like the government as pys-ops research going on--and they are experimenting on people--I believe them.

Side note: I actually could go more into this story, but I would honestly just sound insane and I would rather members see me as the thoughtful rational person I try to be in most of my posts.

-Ghoster

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did anyone pick them up and have conversations? might be their test to see who is really crazy lol

do tell more, in a new thread plz

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
And if you know so much why don't you contribute more than know it all sarcasm?

Sid Gottlieb came up with the approach they use now. Pity he's been gone for the last 13 years or you could ask him yourself.

The trick is not to come into direct conflict with the trainee's psyche - it's too ingrained. You hijack his normal responses instead. You can't do it to just anyone, either, you need to start with someone pretty dissociative, although in truth, Gottlieb was able to get fairly normal people to attempt to commit some pretty godawful stuff if legend is true.

"attempt" was probably just the first stage of that, too, knowing the Agency.

I know who Sid Gottlieb is and do you really think they haven't changed the ways they do things over the decades? Have you even looked at the link the OP gave? Do you even know who the person is who wrote what he shared?

Care to share some links for those who don't know what you are talking about.

Gottlieb isn't the only person who did mind control or programming. Just because he may have started it doesn't mean he was the only one doing it or perfecting it.

Originally posted by christoph

Originally posted by theghoster
This reminds of an experience I had (in fact THE experience that brought this once completely anti-conspiracy "you're an idiot if you believe in aliens and ghosts and what not" guy into to the world of conspiracy.) I "volunteered" (I was actually coerced...but this is an even longer story) to commit myself to psychiatric "help" in a hospital last year. I was there because of a suicide attempt on my part (I'm perfectly OK now). Anyway, during my stay there I noticed a couple of odd things in the ward. The oddest thing was a series of telephones that were set up around the room (which I thought was odd, because most of the patients I was with were completely out of their mind--I mean, rambling and just utterly distorted in thought, so I wasn't sure who they would actually be calling, anway).

But it gets stranger. I noticed that the phones would keep ringing every 10 or 20 minutes. They would just keep ringing and when you tried to answer, there would be no answer on the other side. At first I just dismissed this as some type of therapy for another patient. But, this event would happen every single day that I was there. Finally, I talked to one of the counselors about it and said "Ok, ok, so the phones aren't supposed to work, are they?".

Her response? To look at me blankly like I didn't know what I was talking about and refer to the desk phone, which I was allowed to use, even though they told other patients that that phone couldn't be used and not to ask.

Perhaps, the craziest experience I have ever had in my life. I felt like they were intentionally trying to make the patients go crazy at that place. So, when people say seemingly "crazy" things like the government as pys-ops research going on--and they are experimenting on people--I believe them.

Side note: I actually could go more into this story, but I would honestly just sound insane and I would rather members see me as the thoughtful rational person I try to be in most of my posts.

-Ghoster

edit on 18-12-2012 by theghoster because: (no reason given)

edit on 18-12-2012 by theghoster because: (no reason given)

did anyone pick them up and have conversations? might be their test to see who is really crazy lol

do tell more, in a new thread plz

I might, one day soon, but it is quite a long story, so I might have the write it all out and then post it, so its coherent. Anyway, I'm curious where this guy got his information from...because based on my experience it seems somewhat spot on as far as picking out already deranged and isolated people.

-Ghoster