posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
I understand the purpose of the second amendment, have guns in the hands of the populace, so they can protect themselves. What I don't think the
founding fathers could have ever foreseen is the level of mental illness and pure rage that would exist in the 21st Century. - More people are under
intense stress for a variety of reasons and there ability to cope is diminishing, some express this via anger. American civilization is in serious
trouble, and gun ownership is a catch 22 now.
Finally someone begins to make sense in looking at the whole gun issue.
When people always claim that europe is disarmed I always point out that most european FARMERS own guns. Farms usually have a bits of forest within
their lands and the farmer is the gamewarden of his plot. But not assault rifles. Rabbis is a common problem and foxes are in europe mostly to blame.
So sure he checks his resident wildlife on his farm Yet the city is pretty gun free, Some european countries, Switzrland for example have ther
conscripts bing theri full gear, incl. the AR and ammo HOME. In cas of war these guys then are informed how to report to their units much faster than
having to actually 1st go to their respective baes and gear up and then deploy. From the living room to the frontline in an hour or so. Yet the gun
violence is absent.
We all agree that we need a permit to drive cars and fly planes and what ever. But we seem to forget that the permit is a misnomer. Permit we
associate with taxes and fees to be paid. The permit to sell alcohol in your diner. But this is not what the permit means. The permit is a test of
competency! When I hear the gun debates i always hear about the 'safety course'. Thats not enough. Why would I need a gun is the most pressing
question. A friend of mine in europe was 17 when his father died and when he was forced into the postition to take over the family farm. With this
responsibility came also the need to patrol his little forest. He went for 9 months to night school to obtain his permit. It was not just how to
handle a gun, what game is in season at what month and so forth. A lot of the class was concentrated about his rights, do and don'ts of how to be a
'citizen enforcer/citizen arrest'' simply in apprehending a poacher for example or assist in a manhunt on a dangerous fugitive. A scenario
mostlikely never to happen. Yet he had to do it. When is a holding a gun cuasually o problem and what move fo example means 'business'? all things
they crammed down into his 17 yo brain.
Whee I have a problem with ameican gun culture is thei argument that the citzen needs arms to protect itself from a rouge government. Well anyone who
has looked at revolutions can se onething over and over. That the citizens simply take the guns fom the local cops and army. Any
"partisan/guerreilla" manual descibes in detials HOW to get the 1st guns. Revolutions also tend to split the armys into 2 camps, those who join
those who devend the status quo. IF a nation/people WANT a revolution they will do so with guns or with pitchfork. It has always been this way and
always will be so, no matter how sophisticated the governemnt is with its police, secret services and army. And once a bullet is fired it can't be
called back. And unlike an out of control car that I can SEE, I can't see a 223cal coming at me past the speed of sound. So the more densly populated
a region is the less the need of guns, since it is not a question so much as to what I shoot at, but rather what will I hit when i MISS?
Add to this the stress of our modern society, we dont wake up with the rooster no more and go to sleep at sundown. Add to this the many medicated
people with reactions to drugs we have not even yet a clue what they can do? and you asking for a nightmare. And also as brutal as it may sound, many
of today's people would not have made it to adult hood back then. Many today are alive with illnesses and disabilities that would have had them die
as children. Heavily medicated and a ticking time bomb
Parents both are working, economic insecurity, stress and no supervision and w got all kinds of apparently "normal" behaving people with severe
mental problems. Just take a look at the mugshots of many serial killerrs. They look so "Normal" almost handsome! So the weapon is a tool, but this
tool has to be guarded. And then again when people argue a knife can do the same. Not too often. Also now all will point at the sicko in china that
cut down 20 some people. A knife is close up and personal and this means close up and personal the attacker can also be manhandled by a few other
guys. And it does not take a black belt to knock him out. In many places a bar fight is quickly ended by simple average people joining 3-4 bodies
together and overpowering the attacker.