reply to post by MajorKarma
Actually thats democracy. You said you are a veteran and the father of a veteran so i believe you're son/daughter is/was in the Middle East so that
makes you probably a veteran of the Korean/Vietnam wars.
So that means you lived during the cold war which was full of propaganda from both sides so i think you do not have a good grasp of what communism
really is.
It wasn't THAT bad.
Oh and the minimum wage is set so that companies do not abuse their employes by making them work hard and pay them way less than they deserve. Because
the amount is small doesn't mean its slavery, it can grow with time.
Has the Republic known as the United State of American been overthrown by Communism?, page 4
reply posted on 21-12-2012 @ 03:41 AM by dethduck
Republic
Democracy
Socialism
Communism
Fascism
Oligarchy
So that people from here on use words that mean what they think they mean.
And for further clarification of the different forms that each of the above come in,
Different types of Governments
1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity 3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia
Democracy
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections 2 : a political unit that has a democratic government 3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States rom emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy — C. M. Roberts> 4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority 5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Communism
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively
Fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Oligarchy
1 : government by the few 2 : a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control 3 : an organization under oligarchic control
So that people from here on use words that mean what they think they mean.
And for further clarification of the different forms that each of the above come in,
Different types of Governments
reply posted on 21-12-2012 @ 04:21 PM by liquidxxxgold
I think you may have mistaken communism for corporatism if we look at the laws being passed . On the face of them they look like people benefit and
this is how they are supposed to look . However even minimum wage supports a corporate agenda as it benefits large companies and stunts the growth of
smaller business who cant grow leading to consolidation of power. There was a debate back in the 1700s-1800s ( estimate) between collectivism and
individualism (both relativity self explanatory) and the America the you may feel you've lost or has become communist has actually been driven down a
more collectivism path .
Also i do not consider soviet communism to be proper communism enacted but prescribe to a more anarcho-communism seen briefly in Greece after WW2.
www.youtube.com... ( this is kind of related )
Also i do not consider soviet communism to be proper communism enacted but prescribe to a more anarcho-communism seen briefly in Greece after WW2.
www.youtube.com... ( this is kind of related )
reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 02:50 PM by MajorKarma
reply to post by AlexIR
Once again, I have been docked another 1000pts and had another purported Ill-Mannered Post removed for expressing myself too well so, instead of Flaming Out and getting banned or spitting and walking away as I have done numerous times since originally becoming a member back in 2000, I am going to end my comments on this thread (which I started) with a response to your comments.
Yes, I am a former Marine Corp Officer and Vet who served through the Fall of Saigon 1974-75; I resigned my commission soon after what some here would refer to as the "Liberation of Saigon", for a list of reasons including a decision that was made to leave several Vietnamese who had worked with us, behind and who were later murdered for their collaboration.
Yes, my son has also served:
...as did my father who was a B-52 Pilot (also during before what became the Vietnam War) and his father (who was a Commander on the USS Missouri when Japan Surrendered) and his father (my great Grandfather) in WW1.
This is not me wanting to tell family War Stories but the facts are, my family came here from Cornwall England in 1606-7 and were amongst the Colonist with Capt John Smith in establishing the first Virginia Colony.
The facts are I am the direct descendent from a long line of Colonists, Patriots and Veterans, and I do not consider our Constitution just a Birthright but an Earned Right and to be even more candid, I consider many of you to in "My Country" but if our work and service are not enough to establish my "Rights" to this country, my Great Grandmother x12 was an Iroquoian from the same tribe, during the same period, as the better known Pocahontas. This clip (since so many like video) expresses to some extent my perspective about "My Country"
So, I have diverged from the main focus of this thread to clearly state that I consider this to be "My Country" and the US Constitution to be "My Constitution" and the oath I took to "Support and Defend" our Constitution to be a lifelong re-revocable obligation; an oath and obligation that in my opinion many elected officials have seriously and repeatedly violated and worse, have sworn oaths that make them outright enemies of our Constitution and our country, i.e. the Knights of Malta oath. www.bibliotecapleyades.net... , the short list of "Knights" being www.biblebelievers.org.au... but directly and indirectly I believe Chief Justice John Roberts and President Obama to be members and if Obama is not a sworn member, his handlers/promoter the late William F. Buckley certainly was.
Yes, I know what propaganda is and have come to realize I too have been the lifelong victim of propaganda, lies and half-lies, i.e. the Assassinations of JFK and RFK, the Bay of Tonkin, 9-11, the premises for the Iraq Wars 1 & 2 being the very short list on what is a horribly long list.
All of these points having been touched upon, our Constitution was written by and for a "Moral People" who were not altogether moral. Something that was not altogether their fault because they were the products of the Roman-British Empire. Slavery and Bond Slavery for example, were no morally right, anymore than an unfair wage is but, just like with the establishment a minimum wage, our Founders, in the writing of our Constitution provided for "The People" (NOT CORPORATIONS) and not for a President, any President to circumvent with Executive Privilege Mambo-Jumbo, to have the means to adapt, upgrade and improve our Constitution; a "Means" that has been used and abused by so many to our detriment, to the point where we are less a Constitutional Republic than some from of evolving Marxist-Collectivist-Corporate State. Our enemies too have evolved, as has their version of the Marxist Ideology and the path to their envisioned One World Government.
Nevertheless, our Constitution and Constitutional Republic remain the best political system in the history of the world and means for a "Free People" to govern and live their lives as they deemed fit. However, the protections provided for by our Constitution have been greatly watered down , destroyed and subverted from many directions including incremental subversion of the morals of our population, ethnic roots and now again comes an all out attack upon the linchpin of our Constitution, our 2nd Amendment.
I have already spent more time on this than I had intended to so, I am going to close by admitting that I began this thread knowing full well there are many Marxist Communist of various shades and flavors amongst the ATS membership who may not even realize it; that even the deleting of my so-called Ill-mannered Post and the docking me of points shows just how pervasive deeply rooted this un-Americanism is here.
And if you doubt this, compare what you see, believe and want compared to this presentation produced by the JBS of which I am a proud member:
Excuse any typos, I write this aboard ship with a lot of distractions.
Once again, I have been docked another 1000pts and had another purported Ill-Mannered Post removed for expressing myself too well so, instead of Flaming Out and getting banned or spitting and walking away as I have done numerous times since originally becoming a member back in 2000, I am going to end my comments on this thread (which I started) with a response to your comments.
Yes, I am a former Marine Corp Officer and Vet who served through the Fall of Saigon 1974-75; I resigned my commission soon after what some here would refer to as the "Liberation of Saigon", for a list of reasons including a decision that was made to leave several Vietnamese who had worked with us, behind and who were later murdered for their collaboration.
Yes, my son has also served:
...as did my father who was a B-52 Pilot (also during before what became the Vietnam War) and his father (who was a Commander on the USS Missouri when Japan Surrendered) and his father (my great Grandfather) in WW1.
This is not me wanting to tell family War Stories but the facts are, my family came here from Cornwall England in 1606-7 and were amongst the Colonist with Capt John Smith in establishing the first Virginia Colony.
The facts are I am the direct descendent from a long line of Colonists, Patriots and Veterans, and I do not consider our Constitution just a Birthright but an Earned Right and to be even more candid, I consider many of you to in "My Country" but if our work and service are not enough to establish my "Rights" to this country, my Great Grandmother x12 was an Iroquoian from the same tribe, during the same period, as the better known Pocahontas. This clip (since so many like video) expresses to some extent my perspective about "My Country"
So, I have diverged from the main focus of this thread to clearly state that I consider this to be "My Country" and the US Constitution to be "My Constitution" and the oath I took to "Support and Defend" our Constitution to be a lifelong re-revocable obligation; an oath and obligation that in my opinion many elected officials have seriously and repeatedly violated and worse, have sworn oaths that make them outright enemies of our Constitution and our country, i.e. the Knights of Malta oath. www.bibliotecapleyades.net... , the short list of "Knights" being www.biblebelievers.org.au... but directly and indirectly I believe Chief Justice John Roberts and President Obama to be members and if Obama is not a sworn member, his handlers/promoter the late William F. Buckley certainly was.
Yes, I know what propaganda is and have come to realize I too have been the lifelong victim of propaganda, lies and half-lies, i.e. the Assassinations of JFK and RFK, the Bay of Tonkin, 9-11, the premises for the Iraq Wars 1 & 2 being the very short list on what is a horribly long list.
All of these points having been touched upon, our Constitution was written by and for a "Moral People" who were not altogether moral. Something that was not altogether their fault because they were the products of the Roman-British Empire. Slavery and Bond Slavery for example, were no morally right, anymore than an unfair wage is but, just like with the establishment a minimum wage, our Founders, in the writing of our Constitution provided for "The People" (NOT CORPORATIONS) and not for a President, any President to circumvent with Executive Privilege Mambo-Jumbo, to have the means to adapt, upgrade and improve our Constitution; a "Means" that has been used and abused by so many to our detriment, to the point where we are less a Constitutional Republic than some from of evolving Marxist-Collectivist-Corporate State. Our enemies too have evolved, as has their version of the Marxist Ideology and the path to their envisioned One World Government.
Nevertheless, our Constitution and Constitutional Republic remain the best political system in the history of the world and means for a "Free People" to govern and live their lives as they deemed fit. However, the protections provided for by our Constitution have been greatly watered down , destroyed and subverted from many directions including incremental subversion of the morals of our population, ethnic roots and now again comes an all out attack upon the linchpin of our Constitution, our 2nd Amendment.
I have already spent more time on this than I had intended to so, I am going to close by admitting that I began this thread knowing full well there are many Marxist Communist of various shades and flavors amongst the ATS membership who may not even realize it; that even the deleting of my so-called Ill-mannered Post and the docking me of points shows just how pervasive deeply rooted this un-Americanism is here.
And if you doubt this, compare what you see, believe and want compared to this presentation produced by the JBS of which I am a proud member:
Excuse any typos, I write this aboard ship with a lot of distractions.
edit on 22-12-2012 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 24-12-2012 @ 05:24 AM by judahslion
In 1787, when the Framer's of our great Constitution instituted Representative Democracy and our three branch government it was revolutionary, leaps
and bounds ahead of contemporary nations, and the pinnacle of human government. The Constitution was meant to be a living document, to grow and change
with our society and its advancement, to usher in a new world of self-rule where the voice of the people was the final word.
Today, this same system is failing. Representative democracy has failed to evolve with our society and technological advancement, and now serves no purposes greater than to insulate the people from the process of governance. It's sprawling inefficient bureaucracy has become the equivalent of Marx's opiate of the masses, placating your desire for freedom and justice, and replacing it with the false impression of holding a voice that matters.
In a time when your voice could, and should be heard, you are instead inundated with a news and media weapon which covers the machinations of election more than the will of the people. Four years ago, Barrack Obama promised us change, and change we did get. Unfortunately the change we got was an increase in the destruction of Constitutional Liberties, an increase in spending without oversight, and an increase in conflict around the world. These changes serve to benefit a small minority, one bent on perpetual war in order to falsely inflate our economy, and to steal valuable resources from innocent nations around the world.
These changes have taken your privacy from you, almost unilaterally, in your home, from your communications, and on the internet. They have taken from you a media which once served the purpose of investigating government corruption and correcting wrongs in the world, to one which serves no purpose other than to rubber stamp governmental programs which would never have been allowed to exist twenty years ago.
The great advances in our technology have done nothing to increase your representation in government. Instead of allowing you to vote for important legislation online, now your private emails and data will be opened to secretive organizations with no legislative oversight or mandate for existence. Instead of opening government data and information to the people, you are given the FOIA, which is routinely ignored by all members of the Executive Branch – “openness in America” is nothing more than another drug used to silence your conscience.
Democracy is failing, not because it's a bad idea, but because the people in charge of changing and evolving it have had their power taken from them. The United States Congress has been systematically having its legislative power removed from it by the Office of the President of the United States of America since 2001, in plain view. The treasonous acts of George W. Bush's broad sweeping overuse of the Executive Order in order to legislate has not been checked by the removal of a neo-conservative from office, rather it has been perpetuated and made worse. This abuse destroys the protections afforded by the Constitution, and removes your voice from governance further. It is the sole purpose of the legislative branch to create law, the laws the People need and desire.
To the Congress of the United States, to The People, and to the Media:
Why have you ignored your loss of Liberty?
Do you even know?
unduecoercion.blogspot.com...
Today, this same system is failing. Representative democracy has failed to evolve with our society and technological advancement, and now serves no purposes greater than to insulate the people from the process of governance. It's sprawling inefficient bureaucracy has become the equivalent of Marx's opiate of the masses, placating your desire for freedom and justice, and replacing it with the false impression of holding a voice that matters.
In a time when your voice could, and should be heard, you are instead inundated with a news and media weapon which covers the machinations of election more than the will of the people. Four years ago, Barrack Obama promised us change, and change we did get. Unfortunately the change we got was an increase in the destruction of Constitutional Liberties, an increase in spending without oversight, and an increase in conflict around the world. These changes serve to benefit a small minority, one bent on perpetual war in order to falsely inflate our economy, and to steal valuable resources from innocent nations around the world.
These changes have taken your privacy from you, almost unilaterally, in your home, from your communications, and on the internet. They have taken from you a media which once served the purpose of investigating government corruption and correcting wrongs in the world, to one which serves no purpose other than to rubber stamp governmental programs which would never have been allowed to exist twenty years ago.
The great advances in our technology have done nothing to increase your representation in government. Instead of allowing you to vote for important legislation online, now your private emails and data will be opened to secretive organizations with no legislative oversight or mandate for existence. Instead of opening government data and information to the people, you are given the FOIA, which is routinely ignored by all members of the Executive Branch – “openness in America” is nothing more than another drug used to silence your conscience.
Democracy is failing, not because it's a bad idea, but because the people in charge of changing and evolving it have had their power taken from them. The United States Congress has been systematically having its legislative power removed from it by the Office of the President of the United States of America since 2001, in plain view. The treasonous acts of George W. Bush's broad sweeping overuse of the Executive Order in order to legislate has not been checked by the removal of a neo-conservative from office, rather it has been perpetuated and made worse. This abuse destroys the protections afforded by the Constitution, and removes your voice from governance further. It is the sole purpose of the legislative branch to create law, the laws the People need and desire.
To the Congress of the United States, to The People, and to the Media:
Why have you ignored your loss of Liberty?
Do you even know?
unduecoercion.blogspot.com...
reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 01:15 PM by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by MajorKarma
Yes we have.
Everyone is speaking the collectivist company line.
Its like a social borg or something.
Look at DHS and the whole War on Freedom(terror).
If you don't share the same insane imperialist views you are deemed mentally ill or a "extremist" and get blackbagged. Thrown into gitmo and tortured/raped by coldblooded sadists and psychopaths.
That is freedom.
Yes we have.
Everyone is speaking the collectivist company line.
Its like a social borg or something.
Look at DHS and the whole War on Freedom(terror).
If you don't share the same insane imperialist views you are deemed mentally ill or a "extremist" and get blackbagged. Thrown into gitmo and tortured/raped by coldblooded sadists and psychopaths.
That is freedom.
edit on 3-1-2013 by John_Rodger_Cornman because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 05:42 PM by NateHatred
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
do you understand what your saying? the people we kicked from england, the anarchists and non believers formed america because they didnt want a monarchy and wanted there own pagan religion rather than the catholic one being forced by rome?
do a little history people
do you understand what your saying? the people we kicked from england, the anarchists and non believers formed america because they didnt want a monarchy and wanted there own pagan religion rather than the catholic one being forced by rome?
do a little history people
Their OWN words tell the story (Shadow Government, The FED, One-World Government)
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