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Originally posted by torqpoc
Originally posted by LightCraft
Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by Gauss
You assume too much Gauss, and seem to be very much the fanboy. Now kindly get back in your box if you haven't even the mental aptitude to refute my points, which are all factual and true. I dare you!
T
I have yet to see anything you have posted even closely resembling "factual and true". You're just spewing opinion. I have presented factual and true data and the problem is: it's very difficult to refute. Thus the emotional & opinionated responses.
And when you repeatedly have your argument blown to pieces, you resort to petty BS. Classy.
So since no one is actually able to backtrack to the original comment I made, let me google that for you, sorry quote that for you:
A nation of paranoid deluded people, governed by a murderous and lying government, itching to pull out their semi and fully automatic weapons to defend the mighty US of A.
Comical doesn't even come close to the reality of this situation.
No let's dissect this statement, again.
America as a nation is paranoid is the first statement.
Paranoia - noun
[mass noun]
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
unjustified suspicion and mistrust of other people
So do you really need me to come up with examples of how Americans are paranoid? Seriously? Why are you all carrying guns if not from direct paranoid delusion that someone is about to invade the US, since your 2nd amendment is directly about arming yourselves against invaders both foreign and domestic. It is heaped in paranoia. I'm sorry, but please refute the point, argue against it. Don't post, like Gauss, an emotionally driven rebuttal if you can't simply STICK TO THE POINT.
I would go a step further even and say that there are many people world round that are paranoid. Do you want to be defenseless against potential threats to your well being? Oh wait, nevermind that is self evident. It has nothing to do with being paranoid about being invaded or subjugated. It is about being prepared. Only a fool does not prepare for something that may happen. Example say there is a potential for a hurricane to hit the coast. You are a home owner along the coast. You can choose to prepare yourself by boarding the windows up, sand bagging, stocking food, water, and supplies etc. or you can choose to nothing and hope for the best. Who are you to tell anyone it's just paranoia to be prepared for the eventuality?
America as a nation is delusional/deluded is the next statement.
Definition of delusion
noun
an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder:
the delusion of being watched
[mass noun] the action of deluding or the state of being deluded:
what a capacity television has for delusion
Again do you truly need someone to hold your hand so you can walk through this? You are deluded as a people on many levels. The first being you think you are in control, you're not. The next one is that you are governed by a government for the people. You're not. The next one is that your guns will protect you, they won't. It is delusional to think so. You think everyone is out to get you, shall we continue?
I would say that delusional is again a world issue, not one that is exclusive to the domain of the US. What is more delusional, being more protected stripping the rights of the people or maintaining those rights?
governed by a murderous and lying government was the next statement.
Ok now seriously, if I have to prove this to you then you're a) on the wrong forums, b) both delusional and idiotic.
On this we agree, but we are not alone. Tell me do you truly believe actively giving up rights makes you better protected against someone who is murderous and lying? Does being without rights make a murderous entity all of a sudden just change it's ways on a whim?
itching to pull out their semi and fully automatic weapons to defend the mighty US of A was the final statement
You're posting in a post, about the desire to continue carrying guns and fighting for the 2nd amendment. Does it get any more crystal clear or am I wasting my time here?
It i not about defending country it is about defending personal freedoms. And as far as all your statements being factual and true I think you need to re-examine your statement of who is deluded.
Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by Darkphoenix77
Darkphoenix77 - since you agree on all points I made, please kindly explain how they are not factual and true.
You might not like them, they may apply to many different people, but it doesn't remove from the fact they are both factual and true. It's really quite simple. I didn't state that Americans are the only paranoid and deluded people with a lying and murderous government. Had I made that statement it would be wrong.
If you're going to argue a point make sure you actually argue it, rather than agreeing and then disagreeing in the same post.
I think i'm done with you also.
T
Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by Darkphoenix77
Darkphoenix77 - since you agree on all points I made, please kindly explain how they are not factual and true.
You might not like them, they may apply to many different people, but it doesn't remove from the fact they are both factual and true. It's really quite simple. I didn't state that Americans are the only paranoid and deluded people with a lying and murderous government. Had I made that statement it would be wrong.
If you're going to argue a point make sure you actually argue it, rather than agreeing and then disagreeing in the same post.
I think i'm done with you also.
T
Try reading everything I wrote instead of one snippet then, I went and rebutted all your comments in turn. I do not agree with you, quite the opposite. I think you are severly misguided and are unable to see logic.
Let's pull one of your points apart shall we? You state that Americans are not paranoid because they prepare for the eventualities. I am sorry to inform you that being prepared or not has little to do with the emotional driven response stemming from being paranoid. You really need to study your psychology. If people were not afraid of anything, ie.. not paranoid, what the hell would they be preparing for? It's rather simple logic. So who is truly misguided?
Would you care to continue to tango, I can do this all day, all weekend and all week long if you so wish.
Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by LightCraft
LightCraft, I agree with you, however, reducing a discussion to a shouting match helps nobody. True, it seems most of them won't listen to reason. But, If anything that we post causes someone to change their mind, or at least do some research of their own, then our job has been done correctly. Sometimes you have to, to use an old cliche, "kill them with kindness." In the end, lets all hope that cooler heads prevail. In the past decade, our basic rights have been chiseled away at an alarming rate with things like The Patriot Act and NDAA. Let's all work together intelligently to try and stop it from happening.
Originally posted by IandEye
I just want to say that I live on the US/Mex border. I am legally certified by the state of my residency to grow medicinal plants. Now, I will list the threats to my crops I face daily and why I own a Ruger .223 ranch rifle with high-capacity clips: (personal safety, food/medicine protection, keeping my dog safe, etc)
coyotes in packs of 30 or more
deer
rabbits
javelina (wild pigs)
mountain lions
bears
illegal immigrants migrating to the US in groups of 10-40
greedy/stupid people who see easy money
Originally posted by LightCraft
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Originally posted by LightCraft
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
That about sums it up, people.
I would like to see your sources and the scientific method used to calculate the numbers. Those numbers look incredibly wrong. I'd be willing to bet that they were made by some shade tree anti-gunner without any factual basis.
Until I see the sources and the methods used to gather them: BUNK.
No no no, only because you don't like the numbers, its not always debunked.
Here is my source, which links to this deeper source.
Edit: The used scientific method would be called "arithmetic", I guess. Usually, you can count the deaths related to guns, and you should know the number of people with permits in your country. I will leave the following to the interested readers, as my old professor used to say..
edit on 19-12-2012 by ManFromEurope because: (no reason given)
The CDC seems to disagree. And I wonder why: That source is hell bent on disarming the entire world! No wonders the numbers are so skewed!
Here's the most recent numbers by the CDC: See cdc.gov
Mortality
All injury deaths
Number of deaths: 177,154
Deaths per 100,000 population: 57.7
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2
All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 41,592
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.5
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2