Iran pointing the finger at Israel for Sandy Hook shootings.

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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by FlySolo
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Where the story begins to fall apart is where Harris claims this is the same death squad responsible for the Norwegian terrorist attacks. Supposedly in retaliation for Norway voting for Palestine to receive non member status. USA voted against it, along with Canada. So why the retaliation in Sandy Hook if it's the case? Also, did he just say wipe israel off the map? tsk tsk. Not good for any credibility when he blames Zions but holds disdain for an entire nation.


He said the US because of our allowing the Palestinians to gain status in the UN and picking Hagel for his know stance on Israel.


How can that be? The vote was 138 to 9 and US was not one of them. I haven't read up on the other guy.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Bilk22
He said the US because of our allowing the Palestinians to gain status in the UN and picking Hagel for his know stance on Israel.


I wonder how he think the USA could have stopped them?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:12 AM
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All I have to say is somethings not right here. I personally, am not pointing any fingers. But, something's definitely off in my opinion.

Just saying...I personally "ain't" buying what they're (MSM) reporting. Too much speculation way too soon and not enough verifiable info makes for a very convoluted story.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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Were not some of the victims at the school Jewish?
Sort of makes nonsense of the Iranian nonsense claims.
What religion was Lanza?
I bet he wasn't Jewish.
So perhaps he may have had anti semitic intentions even?
Iran are just in a war of propaganda.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by mideast
I don't know about the credibility of these guys.

But as much as I know America , people have been taught to be fearing for untrue reasons.

UFO , 9/11 , Zombies , assassination , jealousy of other nations , end of times , none existent USSR nuclear attack , killing in the schools , TSA .....

That is what Hollywood does. Keeps people in fear and ready to do unreasonable thing.

for example , to take over a country for taking down two buildings , to take over a country by untrue reasons like WMD by bombing the people.

American people should be always fearing to act as the govt is asking them.

IMO , American people should fear the consequence of their own actions which will come to them after death.
This is a reasonable fear.

Americans has always been under attack,



edit on 18-12-2012 by mideast because: (no reason given)


Why are you even still here? You should've been banned a long time ago.All you do is spout hate for "the west". Half of what you say makes no sense.That's probably because of your lack of the grasp of the English language though.So maybe I'm not understanding you.

Do you live in the US? I'm going with you don't. Most people here who talk about Americans the way you do have never even been to here. So your opinion doesn't matter.Got news for you bub..no American is jealous of any other country.And if you believe that then you're the ignorant one.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by OrionsWitness
Were not some of the victims at the school Jewish?
Sort of makes nonsense of the Iranian nonsense claims.
What religion was Lanza?
I bet he wasn't Jewish.
So perhaps he may have had anti semitic intentions even?
Iran are just in a war of propaganda.


You didn't read the article.. This isn't about Iran at all.. 2 high up (can I use the term) US Officials decided that it "Could" be Israeli agents.. wouldn't surprise them since they say that's standard op for a baby killer team...
These are Not Iran's Words.. In fact Iran offers NO words, just as CNN never speaks for America.



@above post... (nightstalker)

Poster middle east NEVER spouts hate for "the west" He/She Sounds 10 times more rational than the average poster on ATS.. You must hate that they are Iranian?
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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Makes perfect sense. The Zionists want control of the planet and the only thing in their way is America. If they can take down America in a cold war then they can get closer to total control.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by aarys
www.presstv.ir...

Just saw this on PressTv. So the Iranians are pointing the finger at the zionist inside Israel. They say Israel is outraged at the USA for throwing them under the bus. So they attack America where it hurts. The innocent children. Im not buying this, not enough evidence.
Im believing that its a gun grab for 2013.



Im trying to find where IRAN is pointing their fingers?
Which Iranians are you talking about?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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Monger wrote: "For example, the second shooter - who turned out to just be some guy in the woods."

In this you are incorrect. There is a video, taken from a helicopter, in which a man exits the school and then is chased by three police, who capture him in the woods. On top of that the helicopter has audio of a police scanner in which the police say they have captured someone else outside the school and have him "prone" meaning on the ground. That was said before the man in the woods was captured.

So indeed there were two others who were running from the school. Now if they were not involved, and the alleged shooter is dead, why would they be running from the police?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Dustytoad

Originally posted by aarys
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Who is this guy Chuck Hagel. Is he really inline to become secretary of defense. Wow. This could be a huge game changer if he would take the position.
And also this Michael Harris, who is he. Im not from america, so im out of the loop.


First Harris as in the Article is this guy: " former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman"

First I am hearing about this.. Searching..
How does that work? Is it by executive appointment?

I keep getting this Vibe that the PTB are shifting..
Maybe 2012 really is the shift, and as we move through into 2013-14-15-16-2017 maybe the world will look a whole lot brighter?

DEC. 17th, 2012
Defense Secretary front-runner, GOP's Chuck Hagel has strong Obama ties



As President Barack Obama's top candidate for defense secretary, Hagel has another credential important to the president: a personal relationship with Obama, forged when they both were in the Senate and strengthened during overseas trips they took together.
Hagel, 66, emerged last week as the front-runner for the Pentagon's top job, four years after leaving behind a Senate career in which he carved out a reputation as an independent thinker and blunt speaker.




If nominated — an announcement could come this week — and confirmed by the Senate, Hagel would succeed Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. Panetta has made it clear he intends to leave early next year, but has not publicly discussed the timing of his departure. He took the Pentagon job in July 2011.

At the same time, Obama is considering one of Hagel's former Senate colleagues, Democrat John Kerry, for the job of secretary of state.
edit on 12/18/2012 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)


Good grab, bumped to Chuck being the former senior Senator from Nebraska who
took a duck to avoid some controversy... over a voting machines company used on
HIS turf that he had some vested interest in. Conflict o' interest, nah.
None the less he showed up in the Senate well one afternoon in a grey suit and the
natural bald eagle treatment; and I almost automatically wanted to salute. DAWMn.
Better hair than Rick Perry... n' that's saying a lot



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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ok, now I am damned confused-- my brain struggling with first reports over the incident???

THIS STORY/ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY GORDON GUFF, AMERICAN, VETERAN...
Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic representative for UN humanitarian and economic development efforts. Gordon Duff has traveled to over 80 nations. His articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest. More Press TV articles by Gordon Duff



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by XXX777
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Makes perfect sense. The Zionists want control of the planet and the only thing in their way is America. If they can take down America in a cold war then they can get closer to total control.

The only thing in the way is what appear to be a minority of Americans
who are aware and armed. Watch how long the war stays cold...



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Why would I trust anything Iran has to say?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Dustytoad
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That's actually a very good article highlighting many of the inconsistencies of the case. They aren't just pointing at multiple gunmen, the story is actually impossible as it is told.

Who knows who was behind it though? Some sick little F's who kill kids..

From your link.


The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?



Today, Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, cited “Israeli revenge” in, what he called, “the terrorist attack in Connecticut.”

Is Harris right? Would Israel order the deaths of twenty tiny children to make a political point? Have they done this before?
Is Harris right about that too?
Moments ago, Harris phoned me. I asked him if, hours later, he was still willing to back up his statements.
His answer was simple: “You murder children as part of ‘business as usual,’ you shouldn’t be surprised that when children are murdered, people look to you.”


It's this guy Harris and a another guy who are implicating Israel, not Iran, but of course they have their reasons for putting this together. Gotta say I trust them over Israel, and that is saying a lot.




I just wonder was it true what one poster said?
They said something like:
"when Obama was done addressing the nation about ct and was leaving there was writing on the wall. the only thing you could read was 'You Will Suffer More.'"

EDIT: I think that is FALSE info about the writing... Can't find it.
edit on 12/18/2012 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)


That was me who said that, and yes it was most certainly there.

The words were.... "YOU'LL PAY MORE"

It was the live feed from the white house website directly but was carried on ABC (where i watched it). But all the videos from the news outlets kept their cameras pointed at the podium, though im not sure then why they showed the whitehouse feed for the live one and their own cameras for the reaired ones. I also have not been able to find a video online showing it. I know someone somewhere out there has the video since i'm sure most new rooms DVR'ed it for future reference. But will they upload it to Youtube? I doubt it.

Theres a good chance the words were just a bulletin board of sorts and the words were meant for Whitehouse staffers, but it was the only thing you could read through the camera, and it seemed odd considering what had just happened and what the president had just talked about.
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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DustyToad:

I've gotten close to finding it. The original footage doesn't appear to be online so far. The White House youtube channel has the edited one where it cuts to the logo.

But here is at least proof that the original broadcast DOES show him walking away.

FoxNews Original Broadcast of Presidents Speech

This version was showing the aerial footage and they cut before the president enters that hallway.

In the original version streamed online, it followed him and as he entered that hallway, thats where the words were. I feel now if i do even find a copy showing it, it will be some low-res version someone got from filming their tv. But during the original broadcast, it was there, clear as day on my computer.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Alright, here we go, i found it!

Now at least people can make up their own minds. The resolution is not the best, and is not the same as it was the day it was aired live. Obviously on TV it would have been less compressed and looked better. And on the live stream online it looked better.

But alas, we have it.

Look for it on the wall to the right of his head at 4:04 - 4:05




posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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I See it now.. I wonder if Obama saw it?

Thank you very much.

I tried finding it, but none of the videos are very good quality.. When I saw it on TV it was much better quality.
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posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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It is still thought that the weapons of mass distruction were moved about the country as the UN inspected the sites.



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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I see nothing....what am I looking for?



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by aarys
www.presstv.ir...

Just saw this on PressTv. So the Iranians are pointing the finger at the zionist inside Israel. They say Israel is outraged at the USA for throwing them under the bus. So they attack America where it hurts. The innocent children. Im not buying this, not enough evidence.
Im believing that its a gun grab for 2013.


I dont think its a gungrab either. Periodically legislation is passed to restrict the supply of certain arms on the market, then they are repealed and more than ever are sold. Private guns are big buisness. Those who earn money on that, will make sure guns sell well in America, by fighting a ban, by promoting rumors of imminent bans, even by passing bans on certain gear with an expiration date.





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