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Originally posted by g146541
Good thing I do not rely on any company or group to secure my rights.
I was born a free man, I will die the same.
I'm just hoping for a happy ending, by myself, maybe in my sleep, not wide awake on my feet defending my rights.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
One of the NRA's most-often cited refrains regarding crimes of this nature is "if only the victim had been a gun-owner or had a concealed-carry permit, they could have prevented this tragedy..."
Well, Michael Moore made a poignant tweet about that:
The US gun lobby group the National Rifle Association (NRA) has closed its Facebook page, which had 1.7 million “likes,” following uproar over the massacre of children at a school on Friday.
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The National Rifle Association's main Facebook page isn't accessible, and its Twitter account is quiet three days after the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.
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WASHINGTON -- Mike Hammond, chief counsel for the powerful gun lobbying group Gun Owners of America said the National Rifle Association, the nation's largest gun lobby, was hiding from the media like an opossum following the massacre on Friday of 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
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It's an initiative that chairman Gary Mervis says has proven its success. Gary Mervis, Project Exile, said, "We feel really good that here it's been 14 years and 14,000 guns have been taken off the streets of our community. Who knows what devastation those guns could have caused in our community had they been allowed to remain in the hands of the people they were taken away from."
When Project Exile started locally in 1998, Rochester was only the second city across the nation to participate. This is a program that is supported by both the National Rifle Association and Brady Gun Control Initiatives.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
One of the NRA's most-often cited refrains regarding crimes of this nature is "if only the victim had been a gun-owner or had a concealed-carry permit, they could have prevented this tragedy..."
Well, Michael Moore made a poignant tweet about that:
The guns were hers, so the complete opposite is true, if guns were banned and she didn't have any guns this would never have happened in the first place...
Are American people simpletons?
So why would the NRA take down its Facebook Page? Because pro- and anti-gun citizens likely would have gone to war on its wall. In crisis situations, fans of Facebook Pages often come to the defense of their causes by arguing with those leaving angry remarks. Discussions could have taken an ugly turn, with those on either side leaving inappropriate posts and comments.
Those could have reflected poorly on the NRA, or forced it to prematurely make a statement about the shooting. It would have presented a nearly impossible moderation challenge, where the NRA would have had to tip-toe a very fine line between censorship and keeping the wall clean. Deleting or leaving up certain posts could have sparked even greater criticism.
Unpublishing goes a step further than shutting off the ability for people to post on the Page’s wall, which still allows it to be tagged, see how friends have interacted with the Page, and importantly, comment on old posts by the Page. That means the same flame wars could have erupted in the comments of previous NRA posts, such as the image it published Thursday celebrating the milestone of 1.7 million Likes. Unpublishing was the only way to totally avoid becoming a canvas for controversial debate at this sensitive time.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by sputniksteve
And? What do you want or expect them to say? Would what they say help anyone through this tragedy?
they have generally managed an expression of regret from previous multiple killings.
that they do not do so this time seems to be unusual and hence remarkable.
I fail to see how the failure of the National Rifle Association to make a statement is news or relavent.
I guess that is a shortcoming in your part then.
Such a lame attempt to make this about something it's not. Utterly ridiculous.
The media doesn't understand how a organization doesn't want to turn this into something about themselves? How fitting. So tired of it all.
how do you figure that gun killings will not be "about" the NRA...ever??
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by roughycannon
The guns were hers, so the complete opposite is true, if guns were banned and she didn't have any guns this would never have happened in the first place...
Are American people simpletons?
I think you missed the sarcasm in Moore's tweet. He obviously knows the AR-15 and other guns belonged to the mother. He's ridiculing the common pro-gun refrain "if only she had been armed, she could have stopped all this". Well, she was armed, she had quite the arsenal, didn't do her any good.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by roughycannon
The guns were hers, so the complete opposite is true, if guns were banned and she didn't have any guns this would never have happened in the first place...
Are American people simpletons?
I think you missed the sarcasm in Moore's tweet. He obviously knows the AR-15 and other guns belonged to the mother. He's ridiculing the common pro-gun refrain "if only she had been armed, she could have stopped all this". Well, she was armed, she had quite the arsenal, didn't do her any good.
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
In this post you have admitted that you feel the NRA is responsible for the killings? Or is that not how you feel?
What does the NRA have to regret here? Not pressing hard enough for people to be allowed to carry guns in schools?
Originally posted by SweetChild
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
In this post you have admitted that you feel the NRA is responsible for the killings? Or is that not how you feel?
What does the NRA have to regret here? Not pressing hard enough for people to be allowed to carry guns in schools?
More likely pressing so hard that every gun nut in the country is now considered a potential mass murderer.
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
I do not blame them. I myself do not like people telling me I want children to die because I support the 2nd amendment, and believe the shooter would have shot less children had someone shot him first.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
how do you figure that gun killings will not be "about" the NRA...ever??