What is an "assault rifle" or "military style" weapon?, page 1

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Topic started on 17-12-2012 @ 05:50 PM by MJZoo

There has been no shortage of either of those two terms being smeared across the news and even being thrown around on ATS. So with so much talk about an assault rifle ban I'd like people to comment, respectfully, what they use for a criteria in determining what these terms mean. Is it the caliber of the gun, the size of the clip, the way a gun looks? I want to keep this away from a "ban guns" or "give everyone guns" debate (I know I'm asking a lot). I hope this may turn in to educational thread because many people may not know what terms like semi-automatic mean.

In MY own opinion, an assault rifle would be a rifle that produces more than one round to be fired with one pull of the trigger. I personally don't think the appearance of a gun or the amount of rounds it holds has anything to do with it. Also, there are MANY calibers of bullet that are far more devastating than the .223 round that has been used in recent tragedies.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 05:56 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by MJZoo
There has been no shortage of either of those two terms being smeared across the news and even being thrown around on ATS. So with so much talk about an assault rifle ban I'd like people to comment, respectfully, what they use for a criteria in determining what these terms mean. Is it the caliber of the gun, the size of the clip, the way a gun looks? I want to keep this away from a "ban guns" or "give everyone guns" debate (I know I'm asking a lot). I hope this may turn in to educational thread because many people may not know what terms like semi-automatic mean.

In MY own opinion, an assault rifle would be a rifle that produces more than one round to be fired with one pull of the trigger. I personally don't think the appearance of a gun or the amount of rounds it holds has anything to do with it. Also, there are MANY calibers of bullet that are far more devastating than the .223 round that has been used in recent tragedies.

You described a fully automatic.

"Assault rifle" is (essentially) a semi-auto (1 pull of the trigger equals 1 bullet- No need to "cock" or prime the weapon but one time and as fast as your finger goes is as many bullets as fire) that has a removable clip.

-That really is about the gist of it without giving a Webster Dictionary definition.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 05:58 PM by MJZoo

reply to post by DarKPenguiN

But most pistols are semi automatic, as well as some shotguns and hunting rifles. Are those all assault style weapons?

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:02 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by MJZoo
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

But most pistols are semi automatic, as well as some shotguns and hunting rifles. Are those all assault style weapons?

- Pistols do not count.

If the semi auto has a removable clip it is an assault weapon, if not it is a Long Gun. I have a 22 marlin (lovely) which is semi-auto. It is NOT an "assault" weapon because there is no clip (no quick reloading) so once the chamber is empty I would have to stop and manually reload. It will fire just as fast as an assault weapon and do just as much damage- The only difference is that when I am empty, there is no way to pop another clip in.

"Assault" weapon is a scary word for a semi auto rifle with a clip.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:02 PM by thePharaoh

pretty simple

automatic rifles, including automatic hand guns
have no place in a civil society

they are used by two broad goups...1) army/government, and 2) criminals

single round, semi automatic weapons are fine....as you cant kill 100 people in 60 seconds

large round automatic weapons should be removed, or slowly edged out

a pump action shotgun, should be the most devastating weapon you can buy....

peace

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reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:07 PM by MJZoo

reply to post by thePharaoh

I agree with you about automatic weapons. But automatic weapons are not what are being used in these shootings. They have been all semi-automatic weapons.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:10 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by MJZoo
reply to post by thePharaoh

I agree with you about automatic weapons. But automatic weapons are not what are being used in these shootings. They have been all semi-automatic weapons.

THIS-

And that is where things are getting confused. These are not automatic weapons (i.e. machine guns) and HAD a 12 gauge street sweeper been used, this would have been worse .

These are semi-automatics being used.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:15 PM by thePharaoh

Originally posted by DarKPenguiN

These are semi-automatics being used.

really...then the shooter had a talent with guns

every victim had been shot at least twice.....thats at least (27x2) 54 rounds

he must have been quick fingered and had extra magazines for the rifle...

one things for certain...this young buck is well trained and very confident in his abilities...though i did hear a 7yr old witness saying he was throwing up....so the anxiety...makes me think mkultra....but i always think that in 2012 lol

peace

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:15 PM by SimonPeter

reply to post by DarKPenguiN

That is the United Nations description . An auto loading gun is just that It loads another shell into firing position and requires another squeeze of the trigger . And any gun , knife , bat , car , airplane , bow , BB gun , spit ball ,or fist can be used to assault someone . The United Nations is very intent on disarming the people of the United States . Why ? Because they know you will resist what they have in mind for you . They plan to put us under UN command and the United Nations Agenda 21 which you will not like at all . This is their agenda and there are no means the NWO/ UN will not use to get it done .
Your gun rights will be the first of many rights you will loose under Agenda 21 . Obama just signed the a commitment with the UN to bring gun control and his bill failed in committee . Then just out of no where we have a terrible shooting to revitalize it . The bad people will always have guns . Guns are the reason your own government has not run over your rights .

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:16 PM by Mr Tranny

reply to post by DarKPenguiN

The working definition of an assault rifle is a “select fire fully auto or burst capable tifle that uses cartridges and a detachable mag.”.
en.wikipedia.org...

And the term is magazine or mag, not clip. Clips are used in the M1

There is plenty of marlin 22 rifles and other dedicated semi auto hunting rifles with detachable mags.

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reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:18 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by thePharaoh

Originally posted by DarKPenguiN

These are semi-automatics being used.

really...then the shooter had a talent with guns

every victim had been shot at least twice.....thats at least (27x2) 54 rounds

he must have been quick fingered and had extra magazines for the rifle...

one things for certain...this young buck is well trained and very confident in his abilities...though i did hear a 7yr old witness saying he was throwing up....so the anxiety...makes me think mkultra....but i always think that in 2012 lol

peace

He DID have extra clips...

Also note: Make a "gun" with your finger, now "pull" your trigger finger 30 times as fast as you can... That is how quick 30 bullets can fly from a semi-auto. Its no joke. Nothing about skill- We are talking ambushing a classroom of Children and shooting them like fish in a barrel.

30 rounds would take less than 10 seconds. =(

An AR-15 is a semi-automatic version of the M-16 A2 (which uses single shot and 3 round burst)

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:20 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

The working definition of an assault rifle is a “select fire fully auto or burst capable tifle that uses cartridges and a detachable mag.”.
en.wikipedia.org...

And the term is magazine or mag, not clip. Clips are used in the M1

There is plenty of marlin 22 rifles and other dedicated simi auto hunting rifles with detachable mags.

If that is the definition then there are no legal Assult Rifles in the USA then? Except among select dealers? Show me where you can buy a fully auto? Please....

I also know they make marlin Assault Rifles- I was speaking of MY marlin (which is an antique) and NOT an assault rifle.
EDIT: Then what "assault rifle" ban is being discussed since what you described is already Illegal?

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reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:21 PM by Feltrick

reply to post by MJZoo

According to WIkipedia (yes, I know, great source), an assualt rifle is: A select-fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

The AK 47, in full auto, is an assault rifle. An M16 in full auto or 3-round burst is an assault rifle.

A semi-auto rifle, with or with out a magazine, is not an assault rifle, it is a semi-auto rifle.

So, an Assault Weapons Ban would affect very few civilians since very few civilians have a license to own full auto weapons.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:21 PM by conspiracytheoristIAM

Fully automatic and semi- automatic rifles and pistols can be acquired by an individual. However to get a license for a full automatic rifle you need a class 2 FFL license. None of these mass killings have been with a fully automatic rifle or pistol !! The confusion about assault rifles is all in the appearance...usually black, many with adjustable stock and a hand grip....usually have 20 or 30 round magazines.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:23 PM by thePharaoh

reply to post by DarKPenguiN

yea thanx

when i said skilled...i was talking about his confidence in his ability to defend himself...

and to add, you think that most untrained nutters, could pull off double tap execution style shooting...

just saying i dont....if some kids were shot in the arm and lived, then yea, id think nutter....but here, like aurora....we need to keep a very open mind

the key person here.. is the brother...watch his words closely

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reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:24 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by MJZoo

According to WIkipedia (yes, I know, great source), an assualt rifle is: A select-fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

The AK 47, in full auto, is an assault rifle. An M16 in full auto or 3-round burst is an assault rifle.

A semi-auto rifle, with or with out a magazine, is not an assault rifle, it is a semi-auto rifle.

So, an Assault Weapons Ban would affect very few civilians since very few civilians have a license to own full auto weapons.

=)

LOL- Awesome. So that will effect what, 1 in a Million?

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:25 PM by conspiracytheoristIAM

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Feltrick , you are wrong . The assault weapons ban was for semi- automatic weapons....high capacity mags, black, hand grip and only menacing to the uninformed.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:26 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by thePharaoh
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

yea thanx

when i said skilled...i was talking about his confidence in his ability to defend himself...

and to add, you think that most untrained nutters, could pull off double tap execution style shooting...

.just saying i dont....if some kids were shot in the arm and lived, then yea, id thhink nutter....but here, like aurora....we need to keep a very open mind

the key person here.. is the brother...watch his wprds closely

No. I am not.

I have no idea what happened- I am leaning towards the fact that whatever happened is NOT close to what we are being told... Just explaining that it is feasible to commit that kind of carnage with a semi-automatic in a short amount of time.

My personal feelings on the matter are all over this Forum.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:27 PM by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by conspiracytheoristIAM
reply to post by Feltrick

Feltrick , you are wrong . The assault weapons ban was for semi- automatic weapons....high capacity mags, black, hand grip and only menacing to the uninformed.

I know- (he does as well) but was quoting Wiki for a definition. A definition that (if it holds) means the "assalt weapons" ban will effect almost nobody since that is already Illegal without a special (and impossible to get) dealers license.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 06:34 PM by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by conspiracytheoristIAM
reply to post by Feltrick

Feltrick , you are wrong . The assault weapons ban was for semi- automatic weapons....high capacity mags, black, hand grip and only menacing to the uninformed.

I know- (he does as well) but was quoting Wiki for a definition. A definition that (if it holds) means the "assalt weapons" ban will effect almost nobody since that is already Illegal without a special (and impossible to get) dealers license.

No it’s not impossible. It’s called a 200 dollar tax stamp.
www.nfasales.com...
Here is a place that deals with them, if you got the money.
You can also look up NFA firearms on gun auction sites.

As for as “assault weapons”, that is a purely political (and often insane) definition. It changes depending on the whim of what ever politician is in office.

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