It's sad that Liberals are using Children's death for Politics

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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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At the end of the day, America has a violent culture. Look at video games and movies. Look at our history of war and slavery.

You can't control guns in America but you can control the places where guns leads to destruction.

Gangs.

Each time you are caught participating in gang activities, you get 6 months in prison. The 3rd time, when you get out of jail, you're stuck with an ankle bracelet that will monitor your movement for life. Again, these people kill innocent children and innocent bystanders. Tolerance has to be low.

Mentally Disturbed

It has to be next to impossible for them to get any weapon. When their labeled dangerous there needs to be monitoring and monthly or bi monthly visits. If the parents will not control them then the ankle bracelet needs to come out and we need to monitor their movements or put them in mental facilities.

Schools

Bullet proof glass and armed guards at metal detectors that are positioned away from the school. Sadly, we have to monitor all visitors to schools and they need to be checked before they enter schools.

These are the type of things that need to be done because gun control is a non starter issue. You will never control guns in America. What you can do is move guns away from those who are most destructive with these guns while allowing law abiding citizens to still purchase these guns because like I said, we have a 2nd Amendment and banning guns is just creating a black market that will enrich a whole new set of criminals.




posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
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What political point am I making?

You sound silly. The liberal agenda of gun control is destructive.

That's not politics, it's the truth. Both liberals and conservatives have destructive agendas.

You just can't dispute what I'm saying. But please keep posting because the more you avoid this simple truth, the more you strengthen the points that I'm making.


I'll quote it for you, although you outright admit it is your agenda, so I am not sure why you are confused:



The liberal agenda of gun control is destructive.


Your infantile claims of strengthening your argument only go to show that you do not have the mental depth to understand what you are doing. That, you, as I said before, you ar attempting to dodge now that you have been shown as a hypocrite.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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LOL,

The person that never debates issues is back!!

You only say, you have a political agenda but you never state what that is. I talked about both conservatives and liberals.

So what's my political agenda?

Sadly, you can't debate or dispute what I'm saying so you talk about things that make no sense.
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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It's sad that the children we elected in Washington can't balance a checkbook without overdraft
It's pathetic that ANYONE would use these events for political gain.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


LOL,

The person that never debates issues is back!!

You only say, you have a political agenda but you never state what that is. I talked about both conservatives and liberals.

So what's my political agenda?

Sadly, you can't debate or dispute what I'm saying so you talk about things that make no sense.
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Ive quoted multiple times where your political agenda is. Problem is, you arent smart enough to differentiate between your agenda and others. You think yours is truth, and anything else is an agenda. Its downright sad.

Again, you will not drag me to your level. I will not turn the slaughter of children into a political debate. I am not lower than a slug trail, as some are.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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This is what you want to believe because you can't debate what I actually said.

Yes, gun control is a liberal agenda. This is why gun control advocacy groups support liberals in Washington. If we're going to debate, you can't act ignorant of simple truths.


Your truths look more like opinions to me. Any sources? Statistics? Interviews? Anything?


I did lay out the facts in the first post. Gun Control is part of a liberal agenda that's destructive. We have a problem that's never discussed and fixed because for the next few weeks we will be debating the liberal agenda of Gun Control. This will not solve or help anyone.

We have a violent culture and something called the 2nd Amendment.


More opinions and extrapolations.


Any ban on guns will have to get past the Supreme Court and would create a black market that will produce gun cartels just like we have drug cartels.

With guns we can go to where evil resides. The mentally disturbed, gangs and criminals. At the end of the day, gun control is a liberal agenda that's destructive.

After each of these tragedies we spend weeks debating the liberal agenda of gun control and nothing gets done.


If everyone uses guns to solve every problem, there will be nothing left. And you wonder why people have a problem with guns? Firearms make life and death so easy that it's hard to consider if there's a better alternative.

But as a liberal, I'll be the first to admit that while guns aren't the first solution, they aren't the first problem either. There is a thread posted that points to chemically adjusted patients, rather than guns, as the problem. See? Even as a liberal, I see that taking away guns will do nothing. Guns are made to look like the problem, that is all.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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What's my political agenda?

Until you answer this you have no credibility.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
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Again, the truth is the truth whether you like it or not.

Liberals have a destructive agenda when it comes to gun control. It hurts discussion of the real issues.

The fact that your upset about me telling the truth that liberals have a gun control agenda, proves my point.


So, what are the real issues, you already said the US is a violent society, What then would be the first choice of weapon in a violent society? do you not understand there are millions of people in America who want nothing but to get on with their lives without belligerence, who don't give a toss about big players politics, but who do understand that the big players mess with what is a very simple cycle of birth, life and death.

Now, the POTUS Obama has spoken, "Things must change" there cannot be any going back on that remark, it IS now an agenda, but hey, you already said they had an agenda before all this, kind of moot then the slant of this thread.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
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What's my political agenda?

Until you answer this you have no credibility.


Again, I have answered this question multiple times. Its just over your head. I quoted your exact words which point out your agenda two posts ago. Sorry if its too difficult for you to understand.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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There is an overly healthy amount of hatred for liberals and the left on this site, the amount of evil attributed to anything left of right gets to the point where the only recourse we, that fall into that unfavorable category, have is to just dismiss the lot of you as ridiculous. This is one of those times.

It is time for you all to realize that being a gun owner or advocating gun rights or hunting rights isn't just an issue of the right. There are plenty of liberals and leftists who support the second amendment, some of them are even members of the NRA. There's even liberal gun clubs for those that can't tolerate the gun control laws supported by the NRA

It is also time that you acknowledge that some conservatives support gun control and even banning guns all together. Ultimately this isn't a right/left, liberal/conservative issue... it is a personal belief issue.

As of yet I haven't heard anything aside from a re-proposing of an assault weapons ban that would change existing gun laws. The Second Amendment is not in danger. Yes there are most definitely people being very vocal anti-gun at the moment but it won't go anywhere, the right to bear arms is protected by the Constitution and will remain so. Should it ever come under serious threat there are those of us on the left that will stand with you and fight it.

You may want to think about that and stop being so willfully ignorant to the point of alienating us. Two separate stands will not be as effective as one large one.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Again, if you can't accept a simple truth, then there's no debating. Gun Control has been part of the liberal agenda for years. This isn't opinion or some new revelation.

Again, gun control is a silly non issue, so I welcome talks about over medication and ways to stop the mentally ill or gangs from getting guns. I would rather talk about this over wasting weeks talking about the liberal political agenda of gun control.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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What's liberal even mean, because the conservatives or supposed conservatives also use children's deaths for politics.

Maybe it's tactless for anyone to use anyone's death for self-motivating reasons...political or otherwise. Long before Rom Emanuel said that no disaster or tragedy should be waisted, it was the mantra of the Chicago school of economics.

Seems liberal and conservative are labels us little guys assume and fight each other over. Money is the political ideology that is used against us by people who are neither liberal nor conservative (even when we want to start labeling them that way).



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Yes it is a liberal issue.

I'm not one of these pie in the sky individuals who don't accept that LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES have agendas that are destructive.

It's silly to put your head in the sand and say, I'm not going to mention the word liberal or the word conservative. That's just stupid.

The LIBERAL agenda of gun control is destructive. Just like the Conservative agenda of cutting taxes is destructive when they never do anything about spending when they're in control.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Again, the fact is they're liberal and conservative agendas that are destructive. Both liberals and conservatives push these agendas religiously and it's destructive.

It's simply stupid not to say the word liberal or conservative because you have some pie in the sky view that makes no sense.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Again, if you can't accept a simple truth, then there's no debating. Gun Control has been part of the liberal agenda for years. This isn't opinion or some new revelation.


You're not debating. You're throwing an opinion on the table without proof and expecting us to swallow it without question. That won't happen, especially when you're attempting to hoist the entire problem onto one group in particular, even though that group isn't solely at fault for ANYTHING.

And you're just going to continue bleating your opinion as though beating it into our heads will make us agree. Sorry to disappoint you. Nothing to see here, ATS. Just more of the "Blame Game".



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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What are you talking about??

If you're a liberal you should think about it if you're too ashamed to say gun control is an agenda of liberal just like universal healthcare is an agenda of liberals.

Are you allergic to the truth?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Yes it is a liberal issue.


Not strictly, no.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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If you're a liberal you should think about it if you're too ashamed to say gun control is an agenda of liberal just like universal healthcare is an agenda of liberals.

Are you allergic to the truth?


There are a few things I'm ashamed of in this life, and I've been taking care of some of them recently. With great success, hopefully. Time will tell. But my shame is in no way connected to this subject. I have been as honest as I can without getting overly detailed, and I truly believe I have been one of the most objective members participating in this discussion.

As such, I find your accusation both unfounded and highly revealing. Am I allergic to the truth? No, but maybe you are. You certainly seem to be avoiding evidence and proof like it's the plague.
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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I didn't say strictly. Of course there will be others that want this.

That doesn't take away the fact that gun control is part of the liberal agenda and has been for years.

Are people allergic to the truth?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Universal health care is not an agenda of Liberals, it is an ideal for Socialists... there is a difference, a rather large one.

Liberals advocate for programs such as Obamacare, which are nothing akin to UHC.





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