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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by alldaylong
You really do live in cloud cuckoo land. There is no deterrent for a lunatic. You expect them to think the same as you and i. I have news for you. They don't. These fruitcakes expect to die through their actions, in fact i would go as far as saying that they probably crave it.
You're right. So would you rather they be killed right away or in about 20 minutes?
You may have overlooked this:-
www.highbeam.com...
Overlooked what?
Are you just trying to find any situation where a teacher or guard armed with a firearm couldnt do anything to stop an assailant as a far away sniper?
You really want to play this game? You give me a sniper or a bomber and I give you a close attacker or a DGU?
Why not just say that you'd prefer a lunatic to rampage freely for 20 minutes killing cowering children rather than stop him right away?
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by alldaylong
You really do live in cloud cuckoo land. There is no deterrent for a lunatic. You expect them to think the same as you and i. I have news for you. They don't. These fruitcakes expect to die through their actions, in fact i would go as far as saying that they probably crave it.
You're right. So would you rather they be killed right away or in about 20 minutes?
You may have overlooked this:-
www.highbeam.com...
Overlooked what?
Are you just trying to find any situation where a teacher or guard armed with a firearm couldnt do anything to stop an assailant as a far away sniper?
You really want to play this game? You give me a sniper or a bomber and I give you a close attacker or a DGU?
Why not just say that you'd prefer a lunatic to rampage freely for 20 minutes killing cowering children rather than stop him right away?
I challenge you to withdraw that insult. Otherwise i will report to Mods.
Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.
Every single one of those situations ended as soon as an armed good guy showed up, either by surrender or suicide. Having someone armed on the premesis will end the problem much, much sooner.
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Because it just HAS to be wrong , right ?
Like i said just now , all your doing is removing legitimate protection from licensed people. Criminals will carry guns no matter what but do them a favor and disarm their targets ok.
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Because it just HAS to be wrong , right ?
Like i said just now , all your doing is removing legitimate protection from licensed people. Criminals will carry guns no matter what but do them a favor and disarm their targets ok.
I deplore the very thought of any human being having to carry a firearm.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Because it just HAS to be wrong , right ?
Like i said just now , all your doing is removing legitimate protection from licensed people. Criminals will carry guns no matter what but do them a favor and disarm their targets ok.
I deplore the very thought of any human being having to carry a firearm.
"Having" to carry a firearm? So do I. I would love to live in a world where there was no crime, no violence, no war, no rape, no genocide, no dictators, no murder, no theft...but we don't. We never have had utopia and we never will. Since we will never, ever, have such a society, it is imperative for good, law abiding people to posess the means of self defense and self determination.
Originally posted by Maxatoria
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
You try and talk to the guy before he goes nuts and that's seen as a good thing over here maybe over in the states you just shoot em first and sort out the problems later
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Because it just HAS to be wrong , right ?
Like i said just now , all your doing is removing legitimate protection from licensed people. Criminals will carry guns no matter what but do them a favor and disarm their targets ok.
I deplore the very thought of any human being having to carry a firearm.
"Having" to carry a firearm? So do I. I would love to live in a world where there was no crime, no violence, no war, no rape, no genocide, no dictators, no murder, no theft...but we don't. We never have had utopia and we never will. Since we will never, ever, have such a society, it is imperative for good, law abiding people to posess the means of self defense and self determination.
Here in the UK some criminals do carry guns. However the ordinary man in the street does not own a gun, have a gun in their home, car or handbag. It does not make us fell any less same because we don't own guns. Here the difference lies between the UK and the US.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by NavyDoc
It HAS to be wrong to put yet more guns into society. It will surely just compound the problem. The US Mental Health System has to be made aware of people who are a danger to society much sooner than is the case. Surely treatment is better than amputation is it not?
Because it just HAS to be wrong , right ?
Like i said just now , all your doing is removing legitimate protection from licensed people. Criminals will carry guns no matter what but do them a favor and disarm their targets ok.
I deplore the very thought of any human being having to carry a firearm.
"Having" to carry a firearm? So do I. I would love to live in a world where there was no crime, no violence, no war, no rape, no genocide, no dictators, no murder, no theft...but we don't. We never have had utopia and we never will. Since we will never, ever, have such a society, it is imperative for good, law abiding people to posess the means of self defense and self determination.
Here in the UK some criminals do carry guns. However the ordinary man in the street does not own a gun, have a gun in their home, car or handbag. It does not make us fell any less same because we don't own guns. Here the difference lies between the UK and the US.
I don't understand your point. I do not know what you mean by "fell any less same". "Feel any less safe?" Feeling and actually being are two different things, yes? Some people feel that some risk is acceptable. I bet that there are plenty of places in London or Liverpool or Manchester or Swansea that you would feel quiet unsafe in.
Originally posted by Swordbeast
reply to post by cripmeister
My argument is this: more guns = more gun violence. If you can't grasp this simple logic I am sorry.
If this argument were true, Switzerland would be in a state of Civil war. See here why
Yet this is clearly not the case, despite the very ready availability of military, fully automatic service rifles in Swiss households
Also, the Idea that the tragedy could have avoided by simply denying him access to guns is, imho, whishful thinking at its worst. Yes, the amount of casualties might have differed with alternate means of wreaking havoc, but but the goal should be to avoid such tragedies, not to "manage" them or to lower the amount of casualties to "acceptable levels".
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by Maxatoria
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
You try and talk to the guy before he goes nuts and that's seen as a good thing over here maybe over in the states you just shoot em first and sort out the problems later
Watch what you are saying because "Thisguyisright" will accuse you of wanting to see children gunned down. Some Americans think the answer to gun crime is to put yet more guns into the system.
Originally posted by angrysniper
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by Maxatoria
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
You try and talk to the guy before he goes nuts and that's seen as a good thing over here maybe over in the states you just shoot em first and sort out the problems later
Watch what you are saying because "Thisguyisright" will accuse you of wanting to see children gunned down. Some Americans think the answer to gun crime is to put yet more guns into the system.
Statistically speaking in counties with higher rates of gun ownership there is less crime. Kennesaw, Georgia for example.
Originally posted by alldaylong
Anyone in the US who applies for a gun license needs to have a written testimony from their Doctor to say they are of sound mind, and that should be updated every few years.