Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.

Originally posted by homeslice
So the guns the murder got was from his mother - a teacher at the school. So now you want all the rest of the teachers in america to have guns?

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.

I think it is YOU who is missing the obvious.

If there was a single teacher armed in that school, you would not have 20 dead kids or 6 dead teachers. Instead, you'd have one dead thug who intended to do harm to those children.

It is very simple. Do you want these "mentally ill" individuals to shoot kids and then shot themselves or get shot before they could shoot kids?

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.

As are you. The sooner the attacker dies the better. A lot of damage is done while victims wait for cops to arrive.

So you are saying school teachers should have a gun ready on top of their desk in case an intruder walks in and starts shooting. That is never going to happen. He takes the teacher out first before she has time to get his or her gun out.
I really cannot believe you think that the solution is to arm teachers. What happens if a child gets the gun out of the desk and starts firing it. Or do you suggest the teachers walk around with a holster.

If this wasn't so ridiculous it would be laughable. So your answer to stop mental people using guns is to give more people guns.

The solution is to treat the disease.

Originally posted by votan

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.

As are you. The sooner the attacker dies the better. A lot of damage is done while victims wait for cops to arrive.

So you are saying school teachers should have a gun ready on top of their desk in case an intruder walks in and starts shooting. That is never going to happen. He takes the teacher out first before she has time to get his or her gun out.
I really cannot believe you think that the solution is to arm teachers. What happens if a child gets the gun out of the desk and starts firing it. Or do you suggest the teachers walk around with a holster.

If this wasn't so ridiculous it would be laughable. So your answer to stop mental people using guns is to give more people guns.

The solution is to treat the disease.

I didn't know we still had one teacher schools..... Multiple teachers multiple guns. And if an armed assailant has to deal with an armed teacher first .. taht buys time for the first responders.

Its a win situation even if the teacher goes down... but if schools have more teachers well.. you do the math.

The disease is mental people. Armed people are a deterrent for these people to commit violent acts in those gun free zones.. These mental people attack gun free zones. Does any of this sink in??

Originally posted by alldaylong

You really do live in cloud cuckoo land. There is no deterrent for a lunatic. You expect them to think the same as you and i. I have news for you. They don't. These fruitcakes expect to die through their actions, in fact i would go as far as saying that they probably crave it.

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by alldaylong
The people who carry out these crimes are mentally ill. They nearly always end up killing themselves. They won't be afraid if teachers have guns, because they want to die anyway.
You are all missing the blindingly obvious.

As are you. The sooner the attacker dies the better. A lot of damage is done while victims wait for cops to arrive.

So you are saying school teachers should have a gun ready on top of their desk in case an intruder walks in and starts shooting. That is never going to happen. He takes the teacher out first before she has time to get his or her gun out.

You are creating situations in your imagination right now,hollywood style.

Following that reasoning that you are giving so absolutely would require that school to consist of 1 classroom,1 teacher.

For instance, Is a shooter that enters a school and that starts shooting already in a classroom by definition ?
The answer clearly is : no

But lets assume that he is. If another teacher or most or all other teachers in the school in other classrooms hear the gunfire and have access to a gun somehow ,how does that example that you so definitely gave play out for the purp then?

I really cannot believe you think that the solution is to arm teachers. What happens if a child gets the gun out of the desk and starts firing it. Or do you suggest the teachers walk around with a holster.

If schools were to be outfitted with guns, lets say 1 gun in every classroom. Then do you think they would just say "okay lets dump a gun in every teachers drawer and be done with it" ....or.... they would install a metal gun box with a lock in each of those classes and have responsible training programs setup to support it.

Which method is more likely to happen after a lot of debate before a idea like this is ever to be purposed and used ,your own dreamed up unorganised solution or the one i just sketched ?

If this wasn't so ridiculous it would be laughable. So your answer to stop mental people using guns is to give more people guns.

The solution is to treat the disease.

I am sorry but the only ridiculous and laughable thing i see i responses like yours.

So lets assume guns are banned, illegal. Do criminals like murderers and such all of a sudden stop bearing guns? Killing someone is also illegal , do you suppose that someone that intends to kill people will care much about carrying guns illegally ?

Let us look at some of your ridiculous replies.

Teachers hear gun fire coming from a class room and run to help. How many children have been shot in the meantime? What happens if the shooter barricades the door to stop entry by anyone else?

There would still be 1 person in the classroom with a gun besides the gunmen.

The gun is locked in a steel box within the classroom.. Does the teacher say "Hang on Mr Gunman you can't start shooting untill i have unlocked this box and got my gun out?

Uhm no, usually if a person hears gunfire in their school they do not wait for the shooter to enter.

What happens if the gunman is a parent of one of the children at the school who has a legitimate reason for being in the school? Do you bar all parents from attending schools?

That is the exact same argument that the pro-gun lobby uses you do realize don't you ? So you agree that banning guns just because 1 person missuses it is ridiculous ?

As a final question, would you want your child to be in a school classroom where a loaded gun is kept?

If i can keep one at home 24/7 to protect my child then would i disagree with my child's teacher being able to do the same thing in the same manner?