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Originally posted by tamusan
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
Yeah thats exactly what I said, Its now have a gun or suffer because everyone else has 1
Convince me that someone would not be able to obtain a firearm illegally, and you win. It is far too easy to get your hands on any type of illegal countraband in this country.
What we need is a greater accountability for firearm owners. I would even submit to a yearly evaluation. If I am not responsible enough to manage my weapons, then I hope someone takes them away from me.
Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
5) If guns are banned then only criminals will have guns
Every country has criminals with guns, it has been suggested if you really want a gun you can get one.
This is true for criminals with resources to buy them and access to people who deal in them. I doubt very much that the majority of people who have committed these recent shootings fit into this category.
Most criminals have weapons to either protect their drug stash or turf, actually using them they know is not good for business. By far the majority of gun deaths are either crimes of passion or the work of mentally ill people, not drug dealers or bank robbers.
Also taking guns off the market takes away the ability of criminals to easily get guns.
This was posted in the other thread, somehow the person who posted felt this supported the argument for guns being legal
• 71% of gunshot victims had previous arrest records.
• 64% had been convicted of a crime.
• Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.117,118
• 63% of victims have criminal histories and 73% of the time they know their assailant (twice as often as victims without criminal histories).
119 Most gun violence is between criminals. This should be the public policy focus.
So most gun crimes not committed against good law abiding citizens therefore using gun crime statistics as a reason for wanting a gun for safety is bunk.
Im sure it makes you FEEL safer but its not the reality
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.
"...the tragic fact is that disarming victims leads to great bloodshed. I'm referring to the millions of people who died at the hands of their government over the past century. Most of these mass murders were preceded by a cynical and calculating "gun control" program, leading to eventual disarmament. Genocide followed soon thereafter."
Leave Mass Murder to the Professionals
Originally posted by Sly1one
what are you going to take my guns away with?.....hmm?? OHHHH thats right.....GUNS!!!
yay for hypocrisy...
Originally posted by kozmo
The right to bear arms is protection from tyrannical government. In your OP, you found the notion of tyrannical government laughable. Ends the debate right there - you DON'T KNOW HISTORY or you selectively choose to ignore it in support of your ideals.
Either way, history has demonstrated repeatedly that an unarmed population is one that is forced to succumb to the will of the government - who, ironically, IS armed.
You can pull all of the mental and verbal gymnastics that you like. But any premise contrary to the facts outlined in history is both disingenuous and illogical.
Originally posted by tamusan
reply to post by yuppa
I also didn't receive an acknowledgement and a counter.edit on 17-12-2012 by tamusan because: (no reason given)
"There is no reason for so many hundreds of thousands of handguns, including effectively hand machine guns, to be available in Australia."