If that scenario plays out like i think, and i hope it doesn't....it would spiral the world economy over the tipping point that we are so precariously balanced ATM. That could cause total chaos as starving, unemployed, homeless people across the us start looting and pillaging to stay alive, stay warm, and safe. We will need to protect ourselves from out own Countrymen.
This argument has been around every since the revolutionary war when many people wondered if a crapily armed and trained american army could ever prevail against the british empire. In modern times it's has evolved into "how can a rifle take out planes/tanks/missles ect". The modern version is one that i used to believe but modern military history has demonstrated multiple times that its actually hard to supress even small populations who are determined to fight back and get weapons. There is a huge NATO coalition in Afghanistan which is approximately the size of california and over a decade later they are still struggling to keep the taliban from getting weapons and fighting professional nato forces. Before us, the soviet union tried and failed. If the combined might of NATO can't completely disarm malnurished afghani's, its a bit of a stretch to assume the United States alone could do it to a country WAY bigger that afghanistan. The united states civilian populace if far more saturated in weapons than afghanistan was. There are approximately 90 guns per 100 people here. Even if only 0.5% of those weapons escaped confiscation, that is still millions of people who would fight back. The assumption that a populace will hand in weapons and be easily domesticated has led to massive military failures and its not something the elites of this world ever seem to learn from.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
You're a student incapable of in depth thought.. typical. Change majors, quick.
A history majory that can't understand how an armed populace could bring down a military? Why go to school if you can't pay attention.
Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
6) Then why not ban knives, cars, alcohol etc etc they kill people too!!!
Guns and swords serve only 1 purpose, to kill!!!
Im not sure if gun advocates realise how ridiculous they sound when they say ban cars or alcohol, to be honest I dont even feel those comments are worth addressing, knives however are worth talking about.
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I dont care about peoples respect I do however expect civility, the comment you highlighted above was a generalisation and not directed at any one member, I think most people would have seen it for the tongue in cheek comment it was and maybe even had a smirk yet you get your panties bunched up You seem to be taking this very personal, all Ive done with this thread is highlight why I think gun ownership is self defeating.
Every time I read one of your points, that very first point you made rang out in my head. It just made all the reasoning behind your points hollow, making it feel like they were just being bent to serve the purpose of that opening line. I'm not going to dig on you for not being American. No snide remarks. But, you need to understand your culture and our culture are two different things.
Originally posted by mamabeth
You should know anytime anyone breathes that 'they' want to take
our guns away...tempers will flare,our voices will scream: never,out
of our cold,dead hands!
It is an american thing and I am a proud gun owner and an american.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
You hate guns...you feel you have wisdom to rain down on us ignorant Americans...well gee...thanks. I am sure I could find something similar to that opinion on the bottom of my shoe....I guess it depends on where I carelessly step.
We do not need your help...we do not need your opinions. I can pretend we appreicate your opinions but we don't. We were there to bail almost every other country out at some point or another and the best way they can express true gratitude is to mind their own business. If your country has never reeived a dollar in foreign aid...then feel free to add your opinion...if it has...then you need to shut up...you have no voice here.
to make a long story short ...oh sheep of the big softie world...
...we do not need or want your help.edit on 12/17/2012 by Jeremiah65 because: (no reason given)
If you are a history major, you have a very limited view of history - or perhaps received for poor marks for your studies.
Who defeated the British in the Colonies, an organized army or a rag-tag bunch of farmers? Who defeated the Russians in Afghanistan? An organized army consisting of helicopters and tanks or rag-tag army or farmers? Who defeated the Bolsheviks in Russia? An organized army or a rag-tag bunch of farmers? Who defeated Catherine the Great? An organized army or a rag-tag bunch of farmers? Look at this Extensive list of revolutions and rebellions and learn from history. Do you know what MOST of them had in common? They were a simple people raging against tyrannical rule which was supported by superior armies! PUH-leeeeeeeeeeeeez! Again, any other representation of these FACTS are a disingenuous attempt to support an illogical and fallacious argument.