reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
Someone mentioned suicide bombers as proof of this being untrue, suicide bombers are politically or ideologically motivated and usually are not
citizens of the country they commit their act in. These shootings are not politically or ideologically motivated and all so far all perpetrators have
been American citizens
So, I guess the guy in Arizona shot a senator because she just happened to be there? The guy that shot up an immigration office chose it because it
was convenient? Some of these are political, and some are religious. Regardless of either motivation they usually occur because someone is trying to
reestablish their power. They feel like someone else has a power over them, or under values them, and they act out. All of these things stem from the
same basic origin.
You also forgot to include the article that helps prove it isn't just an American problem.
America Number One in Gun Ownership, Number 28 in Gun
So most gun crimes not committed against good law abiding citizens therefore using gun crime statistics as a reason for wanting a gun for safety is
bunk. Im sure it makes you FEEL safer but its not the reality
Actually what you quoted was a response to you saying
Most criminals have weapons to either protect their drug stash or turf, actually using them they know is not good for business. By far the majority of
gun deaths are either crimes of passion or the work of mentally ill people, not drug dealers or bank robbers.
If I wanted to address the issue of guns keeping people safe I would have brought some different studies to the table.
60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they
avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.123
Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, James Wright and Peter Rossi, Aldine, 1986
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are
breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.
"Estimating intruder-related firearm retrievals in U.S. households, 1994." By Robin M. Ikeda and others. Violence and Victims, Winter 1997.
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and
others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.
Compared to the murder rate for 2000 (according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report) that means guns were used 63.8 times in a defensive manner for every
1 murder of any kind.
Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the
gun ever actually fired.122
National Crime Victimization Survey, 2000, Bureau of Justice Statistics,
Nice way to twist things up and misrepresent the conversation. Now, I am starting to understand why you got flamed.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of
the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm,
or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.
I love how your source implies that if a FFL reports a gun stolen or missing he must have sold it on the black market. Also if they sold a gun and it
was used in a crime with in two years it must have been a straw purchase, which the FFL allowed. That is a lot of accusations with actually no proof
behind their claim.
From your source
However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the
arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the
arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash;
According to Victimization During Household Burglary, Bureau of Justice Statistics, September 2010 over 100,000 guns are stolen in home robberies
every year. Could this not be a bigger market than the 23,775 guns reported stolen or lost from FFLs in 18 years? The criminal may not have stolen it
directly, but chances are the person he bought it from probably did according to Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Gary Kleck, Aldine de