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Originally posted by GrimReaper86
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
You're terrified by responsible gun use? Your OP just lost the majority of it's credibility with that statement in my eyes.edit on 17-12-2012 by GrimReaper86 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tikitiboo
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
“Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.”
Abraham Lincoln died in 1865, in case you haven't noticed, we don't live in those times anymore, when exactly do u plan to come into 21st century like the majority of the world?
The other shooting was a direct result of a person trying to make a political statement. It shows that you make blanket statements without doing complete research.
Actually if you click on the heading "Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop" you will see that the US is truly number 28 based on per capita. It is not gun deaths per gun owner.
You do understand that is how many surveys are conducted. Many academic studies use phone surveys. How about some citations showing that phone surveys are not acceptable for research purposes
reply to post by MikeNice81
Many people don't report a crime if it isn't completed. One of the main reasons is that the police can't really do much in most cases. Unless you have an identification or hard evidence that can be followed up on the chances of catching a criminal are small. Many people feel that it isn't worth the headache or time when there is little chance of resolution. Other reasons could include, not wanting to risk retribution, not wanting to implicate a family member, or any number of other things.
Chinese police destroyed 113 illegal gun factories and shops in a three-month crackdown in 2006. Police seized 2,445 tons of explosives, 4.81 million detonators and 117,000 guns.40 40 China Radio International Online, September 7, 2006.
It wasn't to help my argument. It was to show that your source had intentionally slanted how they present information to attack FFL dealers. That is a common thing with the BATFE. They directed FFL dealers in border states to allow known gun smugglers to buy guns. Then when news of a Border Agent's murder came out they tried to blame the FFLs that they ordered to allow the purchases. That was the beginning of the Fast and Furious scandal. The BATFE was also forced to back track on several statements they made in front of congress regarding American guns found in Mexico and straw purchases. The BATFE has engaged in a companion of systematic deception for years to justify budget expansions and increased investigative powers. IT got so bad that current and former ATF agents opened up their own forum to discuss the issues.
Originally posted by MisterMaster
Heres one you cannot address or counter:
If I give you my guns right now, can you promise me that when I leave my house noone else will have a gun and use it against me? Not a chance.
Thats the only reason I wont give up mine.
It did not curb gun violence though. Gun violence actually went up. So, at best they stopped aberrant behavior, but increased victimization of innocent people. I'm sorry, but that doesn't equal a success. That equals making people feel warm and fuzzy. All it did was spread the suffering out.
If 100 million people have guns, there's no way 1 million people(and our army isn't even that big) would be able to control them all. It is a HUGE deterrent to a fascist dictatorship. It's a numbers game, and we vastly outnumber them. All the government would have to do is tell the troops they are shooting terrorists, and they would fire away, no questions asked. Soldiers are trained to be subservient and not to question their leadership.
you mention the Egypt rebellion, but that did involve violence. You need to study history better. British withdrew from India, not because of the rebellions, but because their empire was waning. They didn't have the resources to stay in India.
and look at Syria....can you imagine the state of their rebellion if the rebels didn't have guns?
You list deaths due to gun violence...we're half the number of the third place person....and our population is MUCH bigger, about 5 times as big. That should tell you something.