reply to post by MikeNice81
The other shooting was a direct result of a person trying to make a political statement. It shows that you make blanket statements without doing
Ok so 1 out of how many shooting sprees had a proven and definate political motivation, can you name in others in recent American history.
My blanket staement was correct as I was refering to the school, mall and cinema shootings. If Im not mistaken 17 in total plus the killing at the
political rally which despite its setting was not believed to be politically motivated VS 1 in an immigration office.
Not a compelling argument for your side
Actually if you click on the heading "Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop" you will see that the US is truly number 28 based on per capita. It
is not gun deaths per gun owner.
Every other source I can find apart from that one has the US listed at 12 when using per capita stats
But yes I was wrong, that does state that it is just per capita (see I can admit when wrong
OK just dug a little deeper, it appears the US is much higher on other lists as they dont include places like Trinidad and Tobago and other tiny
Not sure that this really helps your side other than to point out something of little significance within my argument and maybe turn around and say
"see you were wrong on that so everything must be wrong"
Whichever way you look at it the rate of gun deaths in the USA is ridiculous and disgusting. Once again why do culturally similar nations not have a
rate or figure anywhere even close to urs?
Check out this link that shows industrialised nations
Im very curious to hear your thoughts on these figures
You do understand that is how many surveys are conducted. Many academic studies use phone surveys. How about some citations showing that phone surveys
are not acceptable for research purposes
In Australia I helped alot of call centres start up, over 30 in fact and about 9 of those did surveys and market research.
I can tell you that the data you get from phone surveys is useless for any practical purpose and is only good when you need raw data. Its the only
effective way that most companies can get a decent sample size for research, thats true but to say its accurate is most definitely not true.
We actually did a survey and some research on people who respond to phone surveys, I can assure you that it is not a good cross section of society. It
was done by of one of the biggest market research companies in the world and was basically done to show the effectiveness of phone surveys so that
they could justify the high cost.
We had data from people who responded to roughly 90 surveys over a 6 year period, just over 80,000 contacts.
Even though we had all the info we asked personal details along the lines of age, race, income etc etc and also why they did they survey and how
honest they were when they did.
Amazingly we found 37% of respondents lied about simple things like their age in at least one of the surveys (possibly both). 47% of respondents were
retired and a further 31% were long term unemployed, basically it told us what common sense would tell anyone, people with something better to do wont
do phone surveys.
I cant remember the exact figure but something like 85% said they did the survey coz they had nothing better to do, 6% because they had an interest in
what the survey was on and the rest said they werent sure why.
Now heres the kicker, 36% admitted to either exaggerating, downplaying or just plain lying in their repsonses to the original survey. The reasons they
lied were spread pretty evenly between, not sure, it isnt anyone elses business and ITS WHAT I THOUGHT THE QUESTIONER WANTED TO HEAR!!!!
As a conclusion to the survey they were asked several of the questions they were in the previous survey, as I mentioned these people came from over 90
different surveys, some were on things like Gambling, Domestic violence, drinking, public transport and other things for gov agencies and others for
products coffee, toilet paper, toothpaste etc etc
Most phone surveys are about 20-30 questions and from each survey we selected either 4 or 5 questions whos answer was unlikely to have changed.
Only 44% of answers matched the last response
Our conclusion was that phone surveys are useless, needless to say that report wasnt released LOL
Companies, organisations and government agencies dont have the resources or know how to do these surveys so its outsourced, in most cases they are
told what they want the data to show and questions are loaded so that they get it ( I wrote several myself). Staff are also aware of this and tend to
give people cues on how to answer.
Im not saying this is the case with your data but it shows why Im skeptical.