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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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hah, at least you can vote a new one in and *try* someone new! We are stuck with the old toad until she pops it.....then some offspring take her place.




posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
 


You are a subject. I guess you missed the Constitutional Monarchy thing. By the way, the way the Muslims keep going, you are going to be a Muslim subject soon.

They are taking over your country; you guys even allow Sharia courts.

So lets get one thing straight. You are a subject, and you will continue to be a subject either under Muslim control or British Monarchy control.
edit on 18-12-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)


Lol muslims taking over predominately ATHEIST britain? as if!

if anyone is at risk of being infiltrated and taken over by Islam it's America, after all you've already shown you're all stupid enough to still believe in christianity in the 21st century. Easy to convert christians to islam. Not quite as easy converting a nation of agnostics and anti-theists


the whole "muslims are taking over" thing is christian propaganda, a sad attempt to claw back some relevance because white britons have abandoned the church enmasse. just creating a boogeyman

worry about theocratic rule in your own country, it's already there in the here and now



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


I'm starting to wonder where this is coming from now, Is this the main stream media in the US?

If so maybe it's good old distraction at work, like the grass isn't greener on the other side?



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:09 AM
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The grass isn't greener anywhere, its all just mud that's been painted



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:28 AM
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With lead paint...

In all seriousness though could anyone give me a brief overview of the msm in America's portrayal of the UK.

Cup 'o tea, bad teeth and God bless 'er majesty?



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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What you've raised is the other stereotype.


"Whinging Poms".


Had to say it!




posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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Wow some of the ignorance in this thread is beyond belief....

i am also from scotland... the original "home of the brave" and we are not subjects in any sense of the word regardless of oaths sworn... i have a passport that declares me as a citizen of the united kingdom of great britain..




some of the muslim communities do have sharia law but it has no basis in our legal system that is a delusion of the BNP and EDL

to my american cousins.... i love your country it is a place of beauty and wonder, i also love your people in my experience they are all extremely friendly and helpful an example of which i will share with you now....

i visited miami in 2011 and got lost and found myself in a bad part of town... i had no choice but to stop and ask for directions and the young man i spoke to was extremely helpful guiding me back to the area my hotel was located... he was a a gang member and couldn't have been more helpful.... americans get a lot of harsh things said about them because of the governments policies but i like you all as people i just don't like your government or any government for that matter

i love my country and class myself as british because we are four nations who stand side by side and fight together and have since the unification of the kingdoms.....although when it comes to football(soccer) all that gets forgotten and for 90 mins we revert to the medieval mentality of kill the english and bathe in their blood....
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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Then please explain to us simple Americans why you continue to support a monarchy if they have no power over you? Just for the fun of it? Because they are cute like puppies. (Eeeeww).? Please explain?


Because most of us recognise them as the tourist magnets they are. Americans in particular seem to go crazy for it when they come to England.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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Ah, wow. I guess you missed Sharia Courts, and i don't know, the 21st century. It doesn't matter if you're atheist. I am dumb enough to be a Christian? Youre dumb enough to go to hell, that goes two ways.

Last i checked, America doesn't use Sharia Courts, Britain does. Last i checked, America isn't to afraid to go after Muslims, Britain is .. wait, it's because Britain is on the verge of being ran by Muslims.

Not to mention how militarily weak Britain is. If a rabbit invasion of Britain took place, you'd lose.

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I didn't know Bravery had an orgininality to it or is that what you tell yourself because of Scotland's submission to the British?
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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I wouldn't worry about it, its just ignorant people acting like little children, throwing out playground insults, they generalize on things they have no clue about



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


Ah, wow. I guess you missed Sharia Courts, and i don't know, the 21st century. It doesn't matter if you're atheist. I am dumb enough to be a Christian? Youre dumb enough to go to hell, that goes two ways.

Last i checked, America doesn't use Sharia Courts, Britain does. Last i checked, America isn't to afraid to go after Muslims, Britain is .. wait, it's because Britain is on the verge of being ran by Muslims.

Not to mention how militarily weak Britain is. If a fly invasion of Britain took place, you'd lose.
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You make three points all of which are false.......

we have no sharia law in our courts...

we are not run buy muslims.... we have muslim politicians but in our country religion and state matters are separate i believe your country was founded with the same idea but now the separation of church and state in the US is a distant memory

what country will be stupid enough to try and invade us..... the last successful invasion of britain was the normans led by willem the bastard.... since then the spanish have failed as have the french several times and more recently the germans...... say what you want about us but we are a warrior nation we always have been.....


just a little side note... the romans conquered what was know then as briton got to scotland had a few skirmishes and built themselves a giant wall to hold us back... that should tell you something about how difficult it is to occupy our little island

please carry on believing your blatantly false information it only serves to make you look daft
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 



reply to post by Ph03n1x
 


I didn't know Bravery had an orgininality to it or is that what you tell yourself because of Scotland's submission to the British?
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You really have no idea what you are talking about... we did not submit to the british we united with england and wales and so.... great britain was born... please get your facts correct before you spout utter nonsense and make yourself look like an uneducated fool
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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What is also somewhat ignorant is you view on our laws, particularly when it comes to this odd believe that we live in a “Orwellian state”.


ATS is not a good representation of Americans.

ATS is full of hillbilly right wing extremists. Please do not get the idea that we are all like that.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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Agreed,

www.telegraph.co.uk...#

Sharia law can apparently bu used in arbitration concerning civil matters.

Those who believe otherwise may stand corrected.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
With the recent shootings in America I as a Brit don’t the unthinkable; I created a thread calling for greater gun control.

Now I do not wish to discuss gun control in this thread but rather another issue that it raised regarding us British and how we seem to be perceived

Many times in my debates I came across ignorant and stereotypical statements that went along the lines of this


You English are all the Queens subjects and live in an Orwellian nightmare ruled with a Sharia judicial system

A few points I wish to make, firstly I regard myself as a Scottish BritvI am from Scotland but whenever I have to declare my nationality I always say I am “British” (Scottish Brit is rarely an option). It is so frustrating when Americans or come to that any people for another country call me and my fellow countrymen “English” we are not.

Just like we are not all “English” we are not “Subjects” we are citizens, there are almost no true “British subjects” anymore we are all considered citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Brittan and Northern Ireland. The ignorant and snide remarks of “you are a subject, not a citizen” is hugely offensive it is like you do not recognise us as your equal, like you arrogantly think you are above us in some way.

What is also somewhat ignorant is you view on our laws, particularly when it comes to this odd believe that we live in a “Orwellian state”. There are some in the UK who will complain about “big brother” but for the most part the everyday Brit will never complain about it, we don’t mind it. I for one quite like the fact that there is CCTV at the ATM machine to deter a potential mugger or there is CCTV on a bus to catch out the idiots abusing the other passengers. There are limits, many parts of a true surveillance society I do not agree with but the point is this, the UK is not a “Orwellian state” we are free.

The last point, we are not subject to Sharia law, I don’t know how this myth has started but really we are not it’s just factually incorrect I am the subject of Scottish Law not Sharia law.

Hope that clears a few things up for my cousins form across the pond.

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TBH you have a point, I would be deeply offended to be called Scottish when in fact I am English.


Americans rule the world though didn't you know? They even claim that their language is "American English", when in fact it's OUR language stolen and words stupidly changed such as colour to 'color', or centred to 'centered'.


I'm proud to live in a country that doesn't legally supply guns to it's citizens. If I wanted that, I'd move to f**king Beirut.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by splitfamiliar
reply to post by Ph03n1x
 


Agreed,

www.telegraph.co.uk...#

Sharia law can apparently bu used in arbitration concerning civil matters.

Those who believe otherwise may stand corrected.


The same applies to the Jewish community in the uk who use their own Beth din courts to settle arbitrary matters. Never really hear about those though.

As far as the OP goes, the only time I'm really bothered about my national identity is for sporting events like Olympics and the World Cup and when I travel abroad. Apart from that i dont really think about it. I feel pretty lucky to have been born in Britain. Could have been a lot worse.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


Ah, wow. I guess you missed Sharia Courts, and i don't know, the 21st century. It doesn't matter if you're atheist. I am dumb enough to be a Christian? Youre dumb enough to go to hell, that goes two ways.

Last i checked, America doesn't use Sharia Courts, Britain does. Last i checked, America isn't to afraid to go after Muslims, Britain is .. wait, it's because Britain is on the verge of being ran by Muslims.

Not to mention how militarily weak Britain is. If a rabbit invasion of Britain took place, you'd lose.


Funny that, ain't it? British people know nothing about the widespread muslim takeover of England, but some yank type in hicksville is on top of it


You need to wise up to the propaganda you've been fed. The only revolutionary takeover of Britain in recent years has been carried out by non-theists. I'd go as far as saying that with the ever increasing atheist presence in Britain, Islam will have a harder time than it's ever had as religions are more and more being scrutinised and ridiculed by the younger generations. Nobody will accept a Muslim theocracy. In America you might embrace theocratic stone age babble with open arms, but it's not going to happen in Britain, we've already evolved past that

I know that makes you mad. You're all the same, crying that the world is going to end one way or another if christianity isn't the dominating force. before the muslims it was the communists who you were screaming were going to take over britain and that never happened...unfortunately.

lol though at portraying yourself as some big brave muslim fighting merrycan, but we can smell your insecurity and fear all the way from here. You sound petrified. I bet you sleep with the lights on and check under the bed before going to sleep, just incase the moslems are hiding under there plotting a hostile takeover



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by WaterBottle
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What is also somewhat ignorant is you view on our laws, particularly when it comes to this odd believe that we live in a “Orwellian state”.


ATS is not a good representation of Americans.

ATS is full of hillbilly right wing extremists. Please do not get the idea that we are all like that.


that's right. it all went downhill when Barry the Bomber was first running for president. There was a monumental influx of right wing crazies with there conspiracy theories and end of the world predictions. Before that America was better represented on ATS



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
I didn't know Bravery had an orgininality to it or is that what you tell yourself because of Scotland's submission to the British?
edit on 18-12-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)


Ah, the American view of history, as promoted by Hollywood and the Disney channel.

Firstly, Britain =/= England. Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. 'Britain' as a concept and a place existed long before the modern understanding of either England, Scotland and Wales existed.

I think you really need to have a look at the Act of the Union before you talk about this as it's pretty obvious you have no understanding of how and why England and Scotland came together in union. PRO-TIP: nothing to do with 'submitting to the British'.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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"I am British citizen NOT an English subject".

You say potatoe, i say pot-arto!





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