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I am a British Citizen NOT an “English Subject”!!!

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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 03:23 PM
It's not your political system that takes away your freedom, it's your economic system.

Most nations political/state systems are based around capitalism. Hierarchical control in order for a minority class of private economic owners to exploit the majority, sucking all the wealth we create upwards.

Change the economic system and the state will also change.

posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 03:29 PM
reply to post by ANOK

Good point the only way to be really free= you have a shed load of money.

posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 03:42 PM

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by ANOK

Good point the only way to be really free= you have a shed load of money.

In a capitalist economy the only people who are free are capitalists. The rest of us are subservient to them.

The government/state is set up to mainly support capitalist interests.

BTW nice rant, I completely agree.

posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 03:50 PM
reply to post by ANOK

Which rant?

Oh and I agree, Look I'm a normal ish bloke and I do not claim to be a intelligent bloke I just say how I feel and think, I can be wrong (and have been many times) and I can be stubborn and sometimes foolish but sometimes I admit it sometimes I don't.
We are all different but sometimes I know when I'm right when If I see someone get hurt, I care I want to help that person be it a guy in north Korea or a bloke in the US cos I'm human.
I think that is why tensions run high because sometimes people care more for other things than whats really inportant and that is each other.
Anyhow forgot my original point now cos I'm drunk.
Love to all and goodnight Botmonkey
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:03 PM
Wow, there's alot of anger developing here.
i used to hate all the US bashing threads as i have family over there and thread comments were being rude and wrong.
But the arrogance and anger from some of you guys lately is unreal, i get you guys have had some bad crap to deal with lately but we are NOT the enemy.


posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:59 PM
Britain sits like a burnt our cinder, atop the european continent, its tiny islands like a hat to the continent beneath it.
Bereft of natural resources, nearly depleted of NorthSea oil, it strugglkes desperately to maintain its worldly influence through alliance with the USA and the other NATO countries....
if it were not for the City Of London, a square mile of land that sits like the Vatican in the surrounding city...a state witin a state....and the immense Royal wealth.....
The british influence on the world stage would equal that of Norway or denmark.

posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:17 PM

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Which rant?

I meant the OP, I wasn't quite awake yet when I wrote that.

Anyhow forgot my original point now cos I'm drunk.

You're drunk I'm half asleep (half awake?), I don't think there was a point.

posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:33 PM
Whatever helps you sleep at night.


posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:12 PM
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

What is also somewhat ignorant is you view on our laws, particularly when it comes to this odd believe that we live in a “Orwellian state”. There are some in the UK who will complain about “big brother” but for the most part the everyday Brit will never complain about it, we don’t mind it. I for one quite like the fact that there is CCTV at the ATM machine to deter a potential mugger or there is CCTV on a bus to catch out the idiots abusing the other passengers. There are limits, many parts of a true surveillance society I do not agree with but the point is this, the UK is not a “Orwellian state” we are free.

Only a child needs the government to hold their hand and protect them. You claim not to have an Orwellian police state, and then go on to praise that same police state.

Enjoy your servitude.

posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 10:15 PM
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

You poor thing...try being from the USA and feeling stereotyped. I can't go anywhere abroad without feeling dumb/fat/ignorant.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 12:30 AM

Originally posted by tommo2522
i am a brit myself , born and bred Yorkshire lad , its a good thing that people have ideas about us it means were worth thinking about. as far as the world goes , we are number 1 , the history , the really crap humor that only we find funny , we have pretty much rocked it out since anyone can remember , all i will see is come live in the uk , and see what life is really like . and its not like i haven't seen the rest of the world as i was in the forces for 5 years . and if im honest the rest of the world isn't really worth much a thought

You haven't met new Zealand and for that, I accept your apologies.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Avgudar
Take the "chavs" for example. They act like proper Americans.

Lol what? Chavs act nothing like americans. in fact i'd go as far as saying you couldn't find a group of people in britain any less like americans than chavs and neds

please, explain to me, in what sense to chavs act like Americans? every American should be deeply offended by your statement

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:09 AM

Originally posted by ararisq
You started it and we imported it. We have as many cameras as London now. It is the beginnings of an Orwellian state.

I hear this a lot from Americans and I've tried countering it a few times, but it seems denying ignorance is harder than I thought. The overwhelming majority of CCTV is related to private and/or commercial interests: shops, private homes, shopping centres and so on. Even much of what people think is public space is actually 'private space', so it's not surprising there are cameras 'out in the open' too.

I'm fairly sure there'd be a glut of ill-informed posts from Americans as to how honest, hard-working, business owners weren't allowed to protect their property if there weren't cameras in shops and so on.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:16 AM

Originally posted by defuntion
Why is it so important that you hang on to your "Scottish" identity?

And yet I ask this of many Americans who describe themselves as being Irish Americans and so on, particularly from Americans who've never been to Ireland or Scotland (and neither did their parents &c).

You know how Canada, the USA and Mexico all share the same North American land-mass but are still Canada, the USA and Mexico? Britain is a bit like that. Also, it was known as Britain before there was a 'Scotland', 'Wales' or 'England' as we understand them now.

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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:17 AM
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

You are a subject. I guess you missed the Constitutional Monarchy thing. By the way, the way the Muslims keep going, you are going to be a Muslim subject soon.

They are taking over your country; you guys even allow Sharia courts.

So lets get one thing straight. You are a subject, and you will continue to be a subject either under Muslim control or British Monarchy control.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:23 AM
It's pretty cut and dry to the rest of the world. You have a royal family, they live off your money.....You are their subjects.

If it is so hateful to you then revolt and get rid of them like we feels great.....or should I say until idiots over here started to change our country into one.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:43 AM
reply to post by timetothink

I continue to be dumbfounded by the complete misunderstanding of the situation in UK by the USA.

God Bless the Queen, Sharia Law, Orwellian state? I really don't know where to begin.

It's The USA I worry about with the constant removal of civil liberties and what I believe can only be the build up to a civil war in the next 10 to 15 years.

Given the American view of Great Britain I can only assume that I am as far off track as you guys seem to be and stop worrying about you.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:48 AM
As much as some of the comments in here raise the temperature of my blood a degree or 2, I must say I am not proud to be British these days, or for quite sometime.

Britain has NOTHING to be proud of anymore, as someone said, this country is a smouldering ember of a once great, strong, awe-inspiring grand oak.

We were, not really so long ago, an industrial might matched by none, an empire larger than the world had ever seen, had innovation and drive that sparked and contributed to some of the most important and fundamental inventions of the 19th and 20th century.


We are a country with a government that's too large to sustain, rotten with corruption and "do gooders", crippled by our own ridiculous statutes, and priorities in so many of the wrong orders its ridiculous. We give priority to persons seeking asylum, immigrants and yet let our loyal old starve and die of cold in the winter.

A country whose benefits system REWARDS unemployment, alcoholism and laziness, while the ever burdened tax payer is squeezed out of every last penny to pay for the above, until the very companies they work hard for, are also crushed into submission by taxes and ever increasing legislation and operating costs.

Unemployed and no work, said taxpayer turns to the government that they have so long supported and paid into, only to be told that the pittance of savings they have spent years prudently putting aside, must all be used before any assistance can be given. Having used all available means of savings, taxpayer is then given a pittance per week and told that unfortunately the government doesn't provide relief for mortgage payments on that property that you spent so many years saving the deposit for, despite lazy Joe before him getting his rent paid on a property he doesn't even own, in full for the next month. Poor taxpayer ultimately has his home repossessed and has to wait in squalor while lazy Joe, immigrants and asylum seekers are pushed up the housing waiting list.

Before too long, taxpayer has lost all will to lead a decent life, doesn't bother to find a job, turns to alcohol and gets funded for all of the above while another hard working taxpayer takes his place on the road to demise.......British??? More like B*ll*x
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:55 AM
reply to post by splitfamiliar

Then please explain to us simple Americans why you continue to support a monarchy if they have no power over you? Just for the fun of it? Because they are cute like puppies. (Eeeeww).? Please explain?

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:56 AM
reply to post by fuserleer

Sounds like us without the queen.

Of course we have the Obamas.

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