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Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by blupblup
Guess what it is an unique document that still stands in our nation and until this day not politician or congress has been able to get rid of it even if they will love too.
So the argument is obsolete, the Constitution will stand even longer than any other document ever drafter and passed has done this far.
US constiution is unique and will ever be.
I wouldn't say unique I would more say outdated.
What did Winston say...."We will fight".
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Merriman Weir
disproportionate gun ownership.
So, again, why isn't the US more like Switzerland?
not enough US households are armed and the Swiss mandate EVERY household be armed.
and, as mentioned previously, the Swiss don't have gun-free zones, either.
Originally posted by blupblup
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by blupblup
Guess what it is an unique document that still stands in our nation and until this day not politician or congress has been able to get rid of it even if they will love too.
So the argument is obsolete, the Constitution will stand even longer than any other document ever drafter and passed has done this far.
US constiution is unique and will ever be.
You guys will get there one day, you're on the right road.
We adapted, laws changed, things move on.... The Magna Carter was the Foundation the cornerstone, the starting point.... unlike you guys, we didn't cling on to it and unlike you guys, we have history and have been through, many, many changes as a nation.
When you get some years under your belt, come back and talk to the UK.
Originally posted by Logarock
As a whole maybe they value life more. Or we have many more amoung us that dont.....so we stay armed.edit on 17-12-2012 by Logarock because: n
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by blupblup
Guess what it is an unique document that still stands in our nation and until this day not politician or congress has been able to get rid of it even if they will love too.
So the argument is obsolete, the Constitution will stand even longer than any other document ever drafter and passed has done this far.
US constiution is unique and will ever be.
I wouldn't say unique I would more say outdated.
What did Winston say...."We will fight".
You are aware that was regarding a world war and Germany trying to invade England right? Not relatable to everyday USA really.
Originally posted by Logarock
Oh yea....many changes. Yet yous were still subjugating the Welsh language into the 1960s? We stoped doing that here with the natives in the late 1800s.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by blupblup
Guess what it is an unique document that still stands in our nation and until this day not politician or congress has been able to get rid of it even if they will love too.
So the argument is obsolete, the Constitution will stand even longer than any other document ever drafter and passed has done this far.
US constiution is unique and will ever be.
I wouldn't say unique I would more say outdated.
What did Winston say...."We will fight".
You are aware that was regarding a world war and Germany trying to invade England right? Not relatable to everyday USA really.
They were fighting for their rights and way of life were they not? Thats all I am saying. Germans! England! It used to be Britian did it not? What did that famous Welsh guy say....when he first heard the english language he knew it was the end for us.
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by Logarock
As a whole maybe they value life more. Or we have many more amoung us that dont.....so we stay armed.edit on 17-12-2012 by Logarock because: n
Then, as I said, it's no point comparing the guns and the laws, you need to be looking at people and society.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Not that rare. In the US there was two in 2012, one in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, two in 2001, one in 1999, two in 1998. Before then it gets a little rarer, it seems like it's becoming more and more common, as are massacres not in a school.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Not that rare. In the US there was two in 2012, one in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, two in 2001, one in 1999, two in 1998. Before then it gets a little rarer, it seems like it's becoming more and more common, as are massacres not in a school.
And yet, we have more gun control in that timeperiod than any other in the past, indicating that more laws just don't do it.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Not that rare. In the US there was two in 2012, one in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, two in 2001, one in 1999, two in 1998. Before then it gets a little rarer, it seems like it's becoming more and more common, as are massacres not in a school.
And yet, we have more gun control in that timeperiod than any other in the past, indicating that more laws just don't do it.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by blupblup
Guess what it is an unique document that still stands in our nation and until this day not politician or congress has been able to get rid of it even if they will love too.
So the argument is obsolete, the Constitution will stand even longer than any other document ever drafter and passed has done this far.
US constiution is unique and will ever be.
I wouldn't say unique I would more say outdated.
What did Winston say...."We will fight".
You are aware that was regarding a world war and Germany trying to invade England right? Not relatable to everyday USA really.
They were fighting for their rights and way of life were they not? Thats all I am saying. Germans! England! It used to be Britian did it not? What did that famous Welsh guy say....when he first heard the english language he knew it was the end for us.
They weren't just fighting for their rights, they were fighting to protect their country from destruction, invasion and mass genocide. It's a lot different, about as comparable as guns and cars.edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Logarock
What did that famous Welsh guy say....when he first heard the english language he knew it was the end for us.
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Merriman Weir
disproportionate gun ownership.
So, again, why isn't the US more like Switzerland?
not enough US households are armed and the Swiss mandate EVERY household be armed.
Swiss homes have guns primarily because of the way they've substituted their military with a mandatory basic service. However, ammunition is very different. Very few of the households who have guns because of this demographic (the main demographic of gun holders) keep ammunition at home, and since 2007 only specialist police units keep ammunition for the military-issued arms.
and, as mentioned previously, the Swiss don't have gun-free zones, either.
Because their 'carry' laws are very, very different. Permits to carry are heavily restricted to certain occupations.
To purchase a firearm in a commercial shop, one needs to have a Waffenerwerbsschein (weapon acquisition permit). A permit allows the purchase of three firearms. Everyone over the age of 18 who is not psychiatrically disabled (such as having had a history of endangering his own life or the lives of others) or identified as posing security problems, and who has a clean criminal record (requires a Criminal Records Bureau check) can request such a permit.[citation needed]
To buy a gun from an individual, no permit is needed, but the seller is expected to establish a reasonable certainty that the purchaser will fulfill the above-mentioned conditions (usually done through a Criminal Records Bureau check). The participants in such a transaction are required to prepare a written contract detailing the identities of both vendor and purchaser, the weapon's type, manufacturer, and serial number. The law requires the written contract to be kept for ten years by the buyer and seller. The seller is also required to see some official ID from the purchaser, for such sales are only allowed to Swiss nationals and foreigners with a valid residence permit, with the exception of those foreigners that come from certain countries (Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Albania, Algeria), to whom such sales are not allowed even if they do have a residence permit. Foreigners without a residence permit or from countries on the ban list must ask for a special permit.[citation needed]
After turning 18, any individual can buy singleshot or semiautomatic long arms (breech-loading or muzzle-loading) without a permit (so-called "free arms"). Likewise, members of a recognized rifle association do not need a buying permit for purchasing antique repeaters, and hunters do not need one for buying typical hunting rifles.[citation needed]
Basically, the sale of automatic firearms, selective fire weapons and certain accessories such as sound suppressors ("silencers") is forbidden (as is the sale of certain disabled automatic firearms which have been identified as easily restored to fully automatic capability). The purchase of such items is however legal with a special permit issued by cantonal police. The issuance of such a permit requires additional requirements to be met, e.g. the possession of a specific gun locker.[citation needed]
Most types of ammunition are available for commercial sale, including full metal jacket bullet calibres for military-issue weapons; hollow point rounds are only permitted for hunters. Ammunition sales are registered only at the point of sale by recording the buyer's name in a bound book
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Not that rare. In the US there was two in 2012, one in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, two in 2001, one in 1999, two in 1998. Before then it gets a little rarer, it seems like it's becoming more and more common, as are massacres not in a school.
And yet, we have more gun control in that timeperiod than any other in the past, indicating that more laws just don't do it.
It doesn't indicate that at all. Were people still allowed to own guns in that time period? Yep, and that is the result. Nearly all, if not all of these massacres are done with a legally owned gun.edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by blupblup
Guess what it is an unique document that still stands in our nation and until this day not politician or congress has been able to get rid of it even if they will love too.
So the argument is obsolete, the Constitution will stand even longer than any other document ever drafter and passed has done this far.
US constiution is unique and will ever be.
I wouldn't say unique I would more say outdated.
What did Winston say...."We will fight".
You are aware that was regarding a world war and Germany trying to invade England right? Not relatable to everyday USA really.
They were fighting for their rights and way of life were they not? Thats all I am saying. Germans! England! It used to be Britian did it not? What did that famous Welsh guy say....when he first heard the english language he knew it was the end for us.
They weren't just fighting for their rights, they were fighting to protect their country from destruction, invasion and mass genocide. It's a lot different, about as comparable as guns and cars.edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
We here see our gun rights as protection of our country from distruction from home born tyrants.....and who ever else. When England came over in 1812 many of the men who came out to meet them took their weapons from their home and formed up into fighting units. Same with our first war with you guys. We cant let this capacity of a free people to be subjugated over some nuts that go crazy.edit on 17-12-2012 by Logarock because: n
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by SpearMint
Yes. The laws will stop nothing.
If americans passed such laws in the wake of events, one would still see killings 50 years after the fact.
How can you say it stopped nothing without going back in time and observing what would have happened without the ban? Since then there's only been one massacre in the UK since then, and that's any kind of massacre, not just schools. Most massacres in the US are done with a legally obtained gun, like the incident you're talking about. You can't claim that the ban didn't stop anything.edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
It didnt stop the 2010 killings. The fact that you may have low numbers has to do with other factors.