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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
America is not a liberal nation... England is though.
Our ideas are originally and wholly American, as I have stated America is a Nation of immigrants.
Originally posted by Ghost375
All of the ideas the forefathers supported were extremely liberal for the time. Not sure where you're getting we aren't a liberal nation, other than your political beliefs. The fact is we are a liberal nation, politics aside. We are way more liberal than England.
Originally posted by Asheliate
To all the people that claim Sandy Hook was some kind of conspiracy to make a grab at your guns: Do you realize that if you are wrong then you are in essence justifying your ownership of guns at the expense of more innocent lives?
Originally posted by Honor93
we're not.
Do you realize that if you are wrong
self defense needs NO justification.
then you are in essence justifying your ownership of guns at the expense of more innocent lives?
do you realize that if only ONE of the six adults murdered had been "allowed" to defend themselves, maybe 20 children would still be alive, today ?
gun-free zones are a joke and an invitation to destruction.
clueless is as clueless does, hence, we have 20 dead children.
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Honor93
Regardless of what inspired him John Locke is recognise historically as being the father of liberalism. And I have been involved in that thread so no need for the link.
Originally posted by Logos23
reply to post by Honor93
Then you have seemingly gloated to find and show another link that you feel strengthens your argument.....when in actual fact when you click on that link it confirms what i have already claimed to you. That the BCS is the most reliable source for actual violent crime figures....
Originally posted by Honor93
UK Violent Crime Rate: 4,100 per 100,000 citizens
(Year: 2003 www.homeoffice.gov.uk... )
The British Crime Survey (BCS), the most reliable measure of overall violent crime, estimates that violent crime has fallen since 1995 and is now stable, but the underlying picture is that the nature of violent crime is changing. Domestic violence and acquaintance violence have fallen since 1995 while stranger violence and muggings have remained stable, therefore changing the composition of violent crime.
webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk...://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr1804.pdf
The BCS shows an increase in the proportion of violent crimes that are reported to the police, from 35 per cent in 1999 to 41 per cent in 2002/03. In the same period the BCS estimates that the recording of reported crime increased from 36 per cent to 52 per cent.
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Recorded crimes involving firearms - Post Gun Ban / 02-03 only
• In 2002/03 firearms were used in 0.9 per cent of all violence against the person crimes and 4.4 per cent of all robberies. Together these comprise 49 per cent of all firearm offences.
• Firearms (including air weapons) were reported to have been used in 7,133 violence against the person crimes in 2002/03. This was a twenty-two per cent increase over the previous year.
• Firearms (including air weapons) were reported to have been used in 4,776 robbery offences in 2002/03. This was a 13 per cent decrease over the previous year, following a 33 per cent increase in 2001/02.
(which is still a 20% increase from 2000)
• About two per cent of all firearm crime resulted in a serious injury. There were 572 serious injuries resulting from crimes that involved firearms (including air weapons) in 2002/03, up three per cent from 2001/02.
Defense of the Constitution and living by its entitlements... are conservative actions.
What can I say besides lol? it always amazes me how the British seem to like to take credit for America but on their other face they despise them... Classical liberalism is one thing, it's not the topic or debate here, what you have and know and live under is modern liberalism, and it has reduced you to an island with sharia zones and the most popular baby name being Mohammed and not George anymore. The reality of the situation speaks for itself.
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by SisyphusRide
Defense of the Constitution and living by its entitlements... are conservative actions.
It always amazes me that Americans on this site rant about constitutional values and conservatism (another European political ideology, not American) they go on about the defence of freedoms yet as soon as it is pointed out that what they are supporting is classical liberalism they deny it. All you are doing is arguing semantics, the American constitution is a liberal document the bill of rights is a liberal document the idea of “rights” is a liberal ideal.
Again we have more in common with the French in the drafting of our Constitution. Think I don't know my own congress's role? Just the other day I had to explain to people that the Marines are the only branch of out military under direct control of the executive branch... Congress controls the rest of the military as you may know of it.
I have lost count of the number of times I have had to point highlight constitutional points to Americans, just the other day I had to explain about the role of congress in declaring war. In this case I find myself having to explain the most fundamentals of the constitution that it is liberal, it was written as a liberal document all of the ideas in it are found in European idea’s.
Explain to me then why you are not conservative and the island is sinking? England lets others import their ideals. The British seem to not require one to become British upon becoming a citizen... it's your own aristocracy's fault... something we don't believe in like Kings and Queens and bloodlines.
You talk of conservatism, that is again a European ideology
Originally posted by Asheliate
reply to post by Honor93
First of all, you challenged Logos23's Wikipedia source but failed to realize that it was also your own.
Secondly, the statistics you are providing are only for a few years. If you look at the Wikipedia source, it is clear that crime has nonetheless been steadily decreasing despite a few bumps in the road.
Originally posted by SpearMint
And it hasn't happened since.
reply to post by Jukiodone
The consipracy goes Thomas Hamilton was known to the police but because he had a Masonic connection, he wasnt properly processed therefore he was allowed to keep his guns.
if I am not mistaken England's population is 55 million with 20 million of them being non natives.