Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Heresy
and this is how and where you lose credibility ...IF you realized that Lanza killed the gun owner to illegally gain access to the guns, you might have a point.
The issues are
A: that you have handguns, easily concealable for crime.
B: you have automatic weapons.
C: you have very little legislation to check on whether gunownes are sane responsible adults
D: you appear to think it's okay to allow children access to automatic weapons and have no discernable consistent legislation insisting that guns are kept securely locked away.
If Lanza didn't have access to those guns, all those kids would be opening their presents this year
IF we knew for sure that's what actually happened, you'd have no point whatsoever.
IF he owned them legally, what was stopping him from doing the same thing ? Nothing.
IF B or D were true, things could be a whole lot worse than they are today.
and on the flip side, IF one of the adults had been armed, perhaps all of those kids would be alive, today. (whether they had presents or not)
no, handguns are age restricted. however, long guns/rifles are not and yes, they can and they do, without a license of any kind. they cannot march around town with it, they cannot patrol the playground or anything outrageous like that but they can possess, discharge, maintain, compete and utilize it at their leisure.
wow you don't know much about history do ya? you must understand why the United States Constitution gives explicit rights to own firearms... you must read the Deceleration if Independence sometime.
UK and the British Church State of course wanted peoples right to defend themselves against a tyrannical government taken away from the people. The British are renown worldwide for their colonialism and I believe hated above any other nation on this planet.
Handguns are dangerous though imo...
that's pretty funny coming from a tiny island nation in which the sun used to never set on their empire... Americans mentality with gun ownership is directly related to freedom and a militia which stands in defense of states rights. In fact militias have been on the largest increase this nation has ever experienced in just the last 4 years.
yes the sun is setting on the remaining 45 million inhabitants of some tiny island who think they are the world... even UK's own government can not stop what lays in your future. There are nearly 360 million inhabitants of all nationalities which call themselves Americans, Brits only count their nationals in their head count, even if they don't live on the island haha.
I hope you'all like speaking Urdu that's all I have to say...
the British have a very liberal way of turning the blind eye... Brits are the type of people to see a rape or a mugging taking place in an alley and instead of help they run and call the police.
their cowardice is unsurpassed.
[color=amber]US Violent Crime Rate: 475 per 100,000 citizens
(Year: 2003 www.fbi.gov... )
UK Violent Crime Rate: 4,100 per 100,000 citizens
(Year: 2003 www.homeoffice.gov.uk... )
where? i sure haven't seen any such 'source' link.
because I had already sourced the information it gave on there
do tell, what is the difference between the two time periods being discussed, covering 1981-2008 ?
be sensible about the time period you cover and make sure it's relevant
kids don't legally carry guns, period.
why are kids being allowed to carry guns
* The only types of firearms which a Japanese citizen may acquire are rifles or shotguns.
* Sportsmen are permitted to possess rifles or shotguns for hunting and for skeet and trap shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure.
* Without a license, a Japanese citizen may not even hold a gun in his or her hands.
* Shotguns and rifles for hunting or sports may be possessed upon completion of a licensing procedure that requires a police background check, successful completion of a safety course, passing of shooting, written, and psychological tests, and police verification of secure storage, prior to approval being granted by the police to purchase a firearm.
* Fully automatic weapons are restricted to military and police. Gun owners must take a class once a year and pass a written test.
Read more: www.digitaljournal.com...
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Mark Harris
if you believe there was a point in there, perhaps you should be more specific cause all i saw was a bunch of whine and cheese.
swaying opinions is the goal of a 'debate'.
if you are not attempting to sway mine nor i yours, why debate at all ??
is it your position to simply tell as many ppl as you can that they are wrong and that is that ?
if so, what will that accomplish
Originally posted by Springer
I am with you 100%, AboveTopSecret.com is NOT the place for parroting the ignorant hate speech spewed on TV and talk radio.
The dynamics involved, cultural, political, propaganda, agendas as diverse and opposed as any in Human history are WAY TOO COMPLEX to cast in the typically simplistic perspective (required for the mental abilities of the intended audience) of ludicrous hate speech or religious/cultural group bashing.
"Broad Brush Bashing" is the epitome of IGNORANCE. I don't care which brand you buy into, it's simply stupid beyond belief. To state "(enter name of group you hate) is totally to blame and EVERYONE who is part of this group is a dastardly dog" simply illustrates the utter blind ignorance of those who scream it.
America became the greatest nation is such a short time because it is directly related to our philosophy of freedom.
what 'side' ?
I'm not attacking any 'side'