reply to post by Honor93
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Logos23
yes, it is and i posted government stats some pages ago. see my history for the links.
The massive rise in violent crime rates portrayed for the UK is mainly media based hype and political propaganda ....It's not a secret....
the truth is out there.
(not msm, not opinion, not exaggerated, the stats legislators consider)
now that's priceless ... consult Wiki ... for factual information ... yeah, ok, you do that
I don't have time to post links because I'm off to beddy bye's right now...but if you want to get a hint of what I am talking about in the
meantime, look at the Wikipedia entry for " violent crime" and see what it say's about violent crime for the UK and the graph attached.
Oh my goodness....you so didn't criticize my source did you in favour of your statistics you gave a link to? I am a little bemused to say the least!
First of all....and very IMPORTANTLY the document you gave a link to that was a very lengthy damning comparison between the US and UK related to the
period of 1981 to 1995 and whether one wanted to argue it's validity or not, considering those statistics are 17 years out of date at best AND also
considering that the ban on handguns was introduced in 1997 the link you gave was a total waste of reading and consideration for the purposes of this
I didn't point you to Wiki because I blindly take everything i read on there as gospel....I pointed to Wiki that it would give you a hint of what I
was trying to convey because I had already sourced the information it gave on there...I don't use Wiki to give me definitive answers.
So on that subject.....Wiki gives the figures and graph relating to the period of 1981 - 2008....so considering that the ban on handguns was in 1997
which is somewhere near the middle of the graph showing the statistics either side of that period, it at least show's the information on there for
consideration is valid pertaining to this debate.
Further to this...the information Wiki uses for it's section on UK violent crime is the CBS which is the Home Office Statistical Bulletin on
crime.....it has been gathering statistics on Crime for the last 30 years and as not changed the way in which it collects or reports it's data
during that time.....while other sources have done. Therefore it shows comparable trends over the last few decades......infact the BCS is accepted
internationally as a gold standard for reflecting crime rates.
It shows that violent crime since it's peak in 95 as steadily experienced a downwards trend. It's figures for 2010/2011 show there as been a
decline in violence of around 47% since it's peak in 1995.
Look I'm not here to express a view that banning guns in the US is plausible, and that it would be any sort of answer to your problem, I have already
expressed that's not what I believe.
But I find it unfair when the violent crime thing pertaining to the UK is bashed on here....and when unfair comparisons are made...I outlined in an
earlier post that the way in which violent crime is classified in the UK is very different to the US.Our violent crime statistics incorporate ALL
violence including ALL sexual crimes...the US only categorizes five types of crime as violent crime and thus it's statistics on violent crime only
reflect those five categories.
I don't have issue with you or anybody who is pro gun....I have no beef with you.
But if you are going to compare statistics for the purpose of this thread please know WHAT it is you are comparing and be sensible about the time
period you cover and make sure it's relevant.
There is always a bigger picture.
I think the problem here is that people compare their different countries to each other's...and then each believes it is better of ....but the truth
is, apart from a few exceptions we are all bollocksed one way or another!
Just as a side issue.....yes as plenty of people point out it is the criminal's who have guns on the street here.......but it is also mainly the
criminal's who use these guns against EACH OTHER, because of gangs and drugs.
The average person on the street does not worry about being involved in a gun crime.