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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:46 AM by humphreysjim
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by jhn7537
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So are you a "stick and stones" type of person? You don't believe hateful speech can be used as a weapon today?


Are we going to nitpick?

Play strawman?

I believe in the right to free speech. If people want to face the consequences of that speech (a pop to the nose) then so be it.

But any laws abridging freedom of expression is just wrong.


What about if I stand outside your house and yell out that you're a paedophile, using a loudspeaker, every night, and create groups attesting to the fact that you're a paedophile?

Bear in mind, if you retaliate and attack me, you're the one breaking the law, and you're the one deserving of punishment.

Is that right?
edit on 18-12-2012 by humphreysjim because: fixing a spelling mistake to appease an asshat
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:48 AM by AfterInfinity
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That's "pedophile". Yes, I am a grammar nazi. If you want to discuss intelligent topics, do so with intelligent speaking skills. Otherwise, I agree with your post.

That "freedom of speech" amendment was not made so people could make their neighbors' lives a living hell. That's just asinine. Kind of like the "right to bear arms" law doesn't allow you to walk up and shoot someone.

There is no difference. Rights only apply as long as you're not causing harm. Where is the confusion coming from in this?
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:50 AM by AfterInfinity
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Refer back to my post. I added more to it. I seriously don't understand where all the uncertainty is coming from.


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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:22 AM by Stormdancer777
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What I find interesting is in some segments of this interview, they laugh, which really made me wonder what is really motivating these people.

They cannot be so stupid to think this sort of hate speech is going to win any souls to Christ so yea, I think there is something nefarious going on here.

Brand is funny BTW
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:27 AM by beezzer
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to
post by beezzer



So are you a "stick and stones" type of person? You don't believe hateful speech can be used as a weapon today?


Are we going to nitpick?

Play strawman?

I believe in the right to free speech. If people want to face the consequences of that speech (a pop to the nose) then so be it.

But any laws abridging freedom of expression is just wrong.


What about if I stand outside your house and yell out that you're a paedophile, using a loudspeaker, every night, and create groups attesting to the fact that you're a paedophile?

Bear in mind, if you retaliate and attack me, you're the one breaking the law, and you're the one deserving of punishment.

Is that right?
edit on 18-12-2012 by humphreysjim because: fixing a spelling mistake to appease an asshat
edit on 18-12-2012 by humphreysjim because: (no reason given)


Sure peanut. Freedom of speech also means you can act like a complete bastard also.

So short answer, yes.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:33 AM by humphreysjim
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to
post by beezzer



So are you a "stick and stones" type of person? You don't believe hateful speech can be used as a weapon today?


Are we going to nitpick?

Play strawman?

I believe in the right to free speech. If people want to face the consequences of that speech (a pop to the nose) then so be it.

But any laws abridging freedom of expression is just wrong.


What about if I stand outside your house and yell out that you're a paedophile, using a loudspeaker, every night, and create groups attesting to the fact that you're a paedophile?

Bear in mind, if you retaliate and attack me, you're the one breaking the law, and you're the one deserving of punishment.

Is that right?
edit on 18-12-2012 by humphreysjim because: fixing a spelling mistake to appease an asshat
edit on 18-12-2012 by humphreysjim because: (no reason given)


Sure peanut. Freedom of speech also means you can act like a complete bastard also.

So short answer, yes.


I'm not only acting like a bastard, I am making your life an endless, living hell, and you are innocent.

How should it be my right to do that?

If I was a woman, should it be my right to claim you raped me, even if we never met? Should I be able to make posters, and send out leaflets warning everyone that you're a rapist?

I don't believe for a second you think I should be allowed to do that unpunished by the law. There has to be more to "free speech" than saying whatever the hell you want, any place, any time. As the saying goes, free speech does not include the right to falsely shout "fire" in a crowded theater.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:41 AM by beezzer
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Oh, don't get me wrong.

I'll punch you in the throat and have you cough up blood for a month if you were to do that to me.

Free speech is this.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

en.wikipedia.org...

Congress shall make no law

Get it?

Congress (government) shall make no law

Thanks for playing.
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