The Holistic Solution to Guns in America

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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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There is no valid reason why all gun owners can not have a licence to own, carry and possess firearms.

On the conditions that:

Medical checks are done. Every 12 months.

Mental health checks are done. Every 12 months

Apppropriate licence is valid. Every 12 months

Background checks are free from any nasties.

Each person should be required to undergo medical and mental helath clearance every 12 months. Without exceptions.

If they fail to show up or fail the test, they hand in their guns. If they do not hand in their guns they go to jail.

A warrant will be automically raised for their arrest. This may require a lot of implementation but it will raise revenue. Responsible gun owners will have no problems with these arrangements

Pretty simple really.
edit on 16-12-2012 by magma because: typo




posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Does that plan seem slightly tyrannical to you? Do you know that the boy who shot all those kids wasn't the registered owner of the guns he used so absolutely none of what you suggest would have done one thing to stop him. However, I can state examples where a responsible gun owner has stopped a bad situation from becoming tragic; often without firing a shot.
All you're doing is asking for a huge and untraceable black market of guns because, (I don't know how many times it takes before it gets through) criminals don't follow laws. All the good honest people with guns would get their tests and do the routine while criminals will hold up liquor stores, invade homes and commit atrocities.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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we really need to re-evaluate what constitutes a "right" and what constitutes a "privilege."

If you have the "right" to do something, you do not need to ask permission to engage said right.

If you do need permission from an entity with the authority to grant permission, that is a privilege.

How can our right to bear arms be a right when we require a license to carry? A license is permission being granted to us from the State.

We shouldn't have to jump through hurdles to exercise a right.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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reply to post by TruthSeekerMike
 


At least the law abiding people will still be able to defend themsleves.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Facepalm.




posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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The right to bear arms is a privilege.

- any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government: We enjoy the privileges of a free people.

It is not about taking that right away, it is about controlling it. It is about making people accountable. It is about imposing heavy penalties for not doing the right thing.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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What about their kids?
What about theives?

# happens. Get over it.

People can still make bombs. People can still use knives. There is no holistic solution to anything.There will never be a utopia.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by magma
reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon
 


The right to bear arms is a privilege.


Rights are not privileges. What if your same tests were required before allowing people to speak in public or on a phone?



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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What makes you think that these doctors would actually clear and give people a thumbs up on their mental health check?

Very quickly these doctors would be paid off or instructed to fail everyone. Then no one can legally own a gun, and the people walked straight into the trap.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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I'd rather find a Holistic Solution to a Crazy Broken Society in America.

But over regulating and banning guns is easier.


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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by magma
reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon
 



The right to bear arms is a privilege.


It is a privilege? But, you just said in your own words that it is a right. So which is it? It can't be both,and why do you get to arbitrarily define it as a privilege? Who has given you this authority?

I am pretty sure that one certain document is called the bill of rights, not the bill of privileges.


- any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government: We enjoy the privileges of a free people.


Where is this quote taken from, and what is it's context?


It is not about taking that right away, it is about controlling it. It is about making people accountable. It is about imposing heavy penalties for not doing the right thing.


I thought it was a privilege, you just called it a right again. You seem confused. Allow me to clarify.



Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights....




en·dow (n-dou)
tr.v. en·dowed, en·dow·ing, en·dows
1. To provide with property, income, or a source of income.
2.
a. To equip or supply with a talent or quality: Nature endowed you with a beautiful singing voice.
b. To imagine as having a usually favorable trait or quality: endowed the family pet with human intelligence.
3. Obsolete To provide with a dower.


In the declaration of Independence it clearly states that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights. Notice the use of the vague term Creator. That word can mean a lot of different things depending on your personal beliefs. One thing that those beliefs hold in common, though, is the idea that a"Creator" figure holds more power than mere mortals.

If we are "endowed" with our rights (like, the right to bear arms), and that right was endowed to us by our Creator(whomever that may be), where did the State get the authority to force licensing for something that is rightfully ours to practice?

If nature endowed you with a beautiful singing voice, you certainly don't need a license to sing.

That is the difference between a right and a privilege. We do not need licenses to bear arms. To do so is our naturally endowed right.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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The Right to bear arms is a Privledge.


Definition of OXYMORON

: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements
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License.....Right.....These two things don't mesh. It's like having a free speech permit. Oh, it's done here and there....until someone gets sick enough of it to sue and a court slams it. Then the concepts die for awhile...until someone tries a bad idea all over again. Kinda like gun licensing.

Criminals don't follow laws. For instance, it's illegal to murder. However, this doesn't slow them down.....nor would making it so hard to get a gun that only 1:10 could manage it. That just means the criminal has to work harder to find that 1:10 residence to burglarize.


I know it makes a tragedy harder in some ways.....but no new law can prevent this or would have stopped it this time. Perhaps...civil detention of mentally ill? Oh .,..such controversial lines there though. It's a minefield to get a version to work and not violate people so badly, the alternative is better.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon
 


Most states allow open carry , you only need a permit to conceal it



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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lol
kinda reminds me of the following quote:

"There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. "
-The Humongous

L
L



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by letseeit7
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Most states allow open carry , you only need a permit to conceal it


Even the state can grasp at straws.

It doesn't matter if a weapon is concealed or out in the open. A right is a right is a right.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


I don't understand what it so hard to comprehend about the above sentence. Very clear, very succinct, and totally precluding what you suggest.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by magma
reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon
 


The right to bear arms is a privilege.

- any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government: We enjoy the privileges of a free people.

It is not about taking that right away, it is about controlling it. It is about making people accountable. It is about imposing heavy penalties for not doing the right thing.


Oh wow. Never mind....you are "one of those".



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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The end result is everyone gets shot until there is no one left to debate with.

So everyone shoots each other defending themselves from the next person , who in turn thinks the next person is shooting at them.

Doesn't really matter then does it.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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And what is one of those?

You wouldn't be suggesting that I am a person who is old enough to have watched the good ol USA slide down the toilet?

Americans are noted around the world as being very hung up on their guns and their constitution.

You reap what you sow, it seems.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by magma
There is no valid reason why all gun owners can not have a licence to own, carry and possess firearms.

On the conditions that:

Medical checks are done. Every 12 months.

Mental health checks are done. Every 12 months

Apppropriate licence is valid. Every 12 months

Background checks are free from any nasties.

Each person should be required to undergo medical and mental helath clearance every 12 months. Without exceptions.

If they fail to show up or fail the test, they hand in their guns. If they do not hand in their guns they go to jail.

A warrant will be automically raised for their arrest. This may require a lot of implementation but it will raise revenue. Responsible gun owners will have no problems with these arrangements

Pretty simple really.
edit on 16-12-2012 by magma because: typo


All this would do is add to the amount of Feel-Good gun legislation, which does little to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not possess them. Again, it's the people who skirt the law and obtain weapons illegally. All these laws would do is irritate law-abiding citizens.






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