flice, you had some insightful contributions to this thread. It's nice to have a reasonable debate without it degrading into insults and T&C
The 2nd amendment was created in times of strife and uncertainty. Back then there was a reason and due worry to actually promote the vigilant safety
On the surface the explanation that times were different when the Constitution was is a valid one, and to a large extent you are most certainly
correct. An important rebuttal, however, is that the Founding Fathers were intelligent men. They were insightful. They were pragmatic and each a
statesman.They were not naive. Most importantly, they understood corruption. They knew tyranny. They just finished fighting a war against a mighty
king and a great nation...and they won! They wanted a form of government that could not be swayed, protected its citizens, and preserved civil rights,
as they knew it. Placing the 2nd amendment, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
, was a deliberate and adamant
measure to protect the
individual. The Bill of Rights are specific rights of the individual. It extends beyond the right to establish and maintain a well-regulated militia.
Probably the most notable and significant U.S. Supreme Court case supporting the 2nd amendment is District of Columbia v Heller, in which The Court
ruled that the 2nd amendment protects the rights of the individual to possess a firearm, unconnected to to service in a militia. That last part is
really important. Actually, wikipedia has a really thorough and excellently written page on this subject.
However times have changed, for the better. You are now one nation. A nation that should be respecting each other, be an example of bio diversity and
Yes, times have changed, but speaking as an American citizen, a patriot, and a veteran, I'm not convinced this country has changed for the better.
Yes, I think the public citizen's spirit is one that is prosperous and righteous, but our politicians, Washington, our government, has taken a
negative turn for the past 60 years. Money, greed, impulse, ambition, and the atentuation of wealth has corrupted our leaders, weakened this nation,
and fractured it's spirit. Yes, cultural diversity and bio-diversity should be revered, but unfortunately, our leaders have perverted these qualities
time and time again, only to have revolutions later to overcome them. It makes no sense, my friend.
I'm not a bleeding heart (lol), but you had some excellent ideas about fear. Our politicians have invented fear, have bred fear, and we have
swallowed these imagined fears. Slavery, women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. We allow them to spoon feed us. When is enough enough?
If I'm anything I'm a realist. I'm pragmatic enough to know that there will be no significant change in the nation's gun laws overnight. The
firearms industry makes a lot of money and all you have to do is follow the money
, as Bob Woodward put it. Now, I own firearms, I have a
concealed carry permit, and I live in the state of New York, which is an extremely restrictive state, as far as owning firearms go. I have used my
firearm one-time to stave off a robbery by knife. People have the wrong idea about personal ownership of firearms. They are defensive tools, never
offensive. People are gravely mistaken if they believe their firearms are to be used for anything OTHER THAN personal and home defense.
The "law on the books" NEEDS to change. There needs to be reasonable, yet effective and stringent gun laws, AND penalties. Right now, the problem is
that most gun legislation is "feel-good" legislation. They are weak and pointless. I have not verified it but I read something that reported that up
to 40% of states do NOT require background checks. That's insane. In New York, it took me six months to obtain my pistol permit; I submitted all my
medical and health records, including all mental health records. This is in addition to the standard criminal background check.
Well, it's time for bed. Talk to ya soon, friend. Be well.