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SANDY HOOK reference in BATMAN movie

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posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32I agree with you about 9/11 . And while I completely understand what you are saying about 'conspiracy'. Im talking about the accepted social contract about conspiracy theories. The theory needs to provide evidence. Hunches dont count


The source of the evidence for the theories around 9/11 and the Sandy Hook killings is the same: The government.

In both cases the evidence provided is sketchy, to say the least.

There are a lot of questions around this event, yet throughout this thread you have been hammering home the point that "there is nothing to see here, move along, move along..."

By "social contract", I don't know exactly what you're saying, but suffice to say what you might call the "social contract" between the government and the people has been at odds for a long, long time now. And that's putting it damned mildly.

Another point: You have been calling throughout this thread for more evidence, more evidence, more proof...

Yet the government has most of the cards. They have the crime scene on lockdown (for obvious reasons). They have the power to silence witnesses and to put forward any spin on the information around this event they want.

As much as this thread has gone on, no one has answered the primary questions posed by the op's post.

1. Why is Sandy Hook written on that map (where no other text is written except Gotham)
2. Why was the name changed from South Hinkley to Sandy Hook
3. Why was Aurora written on the building in the movie


Further to these questions, why were the original reports indicating that the children were shot by rifle, when apparently the shooter had left his rifle in the car and was found with two hand guns.

What happened to the other shooters..........

Why are so many of the witnesses around this event acting so strangely. e.g. the laughing, smiling father... and this fellow, the medical examiner.


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posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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To clear this once and for all this is all from yesterday and today:




I was on screen when I lived in LA. But I moved to Las Vegas for family reasons. So I had to quit the biz so to speak. Right after a booked a recurring role on a sitcom on cbs too. A huge break and payday missed forever. Still stings...

A phd in anthropology helps with such things as comprehension ( and ask other members who have been here longer than a a year who know me if you dont believe me.)

And dont go, ohh bknapple32 is talking about himself again and his high and mighty phd. Again, you brought up my comprehension skills. I'm just trying to show you that you shouldn't judge a person and their abilities.


I know people in Hollywood. Pretty famous people. And I know them very well. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Chris Nolan would ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH KILLING 26 INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN. And neither would 99.99999999999999% of Hollywood.

Have you worked on a Hollywood set before? I have. Christopher Nolan would know of such a change. HE would be the one who knows about it. Thus you would HAVE to implicate him.

yes I have worked on a hollywood set before. I had lines. I was a real member of the cast. I have worked on a few sets actually, a few pilots for network and cable television. And there is not some secret agenda hell bent on killing little kids.

BecauseI also know a couple big names. Very close family friends. I dont usually say things like this. But on this topic. I know more than you do.



You did not bring it up?????

Who had bad manners?




And please ATS feel free to check for yourself


www.abovetopsecret.com...



Sorry for NOT being on Topic, I will not respond anymore..
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posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Strange. Very, very strange. Just so strange.




posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Wow are you serious? I will have to investigate this further. They send out MAPS? T-shirts? This is for real? I will do my own digging but THANK YOU for this!!!!



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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He is documented in attending at least one retreat, so I would say it is highly likely he has attended the cremation of care.

Harry Shearer
en.wikipedia.org...


In 1989, Shearer became a part of the cast of The Simpsons. He was initially reluctant because he thought the recording sessions would be too much trouble. He felt voice acting was "not a lot of fun" because traditionally, voice actors record their parts separately. He provides voices for numerous characters, including Mr. Burns, Waylon Smithers, Ned Flanders, Reverend Lovejoy, Kent Brockman, Dr. Hibbert, Lenny Leonard, Principal Skinner, Otto Mann and Rainier Wolfcastle. Shearer has been vocal about what he perceives as the show's declining quality. In 2004, he said "I rate the last three seasons as among the worst."[1]


LoL he even plays the evil Mr.Burns who happens to be a member of all these secret societies in the Simpsons.

He says he was invited to a Bohemian retreat and was allowed to research the issue
www.coasttocoastam.com...


He discussed his film Teddy Bears' Picnic, a parody of the Bohemian Grove conspiracy. Shearer said he was invited to be a guest at the Grove and was allowed to research at the Bohemian Club in San Francisco. In his opinion, Bohemian Grove is a place where the elite go to recreate "their sophomore year in college."



His wife has been used as bumper music for Coast to Coast AM interestingly as another Coast to Coast guest produced a movie called Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre which was reviewed the day of the Aurora shootings.
Judith Owen
en.wikipedia.org...


Biography

She was interviewed on National Public Radio's Weekend Edition Sunday on 17 June 2007, on which she performed several of her songs from her 2007 release Happy This Way. Her cover of Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water" has been used as bumper music on Coast to Coast AM.[1]

Her most recent release is the CD Mopping Up Karma, which was released in 2008.

On 18 September 2008, a three-song live video performance premiered on LiveDaily Sessions, featuring the songs "Creatures," "I Promise You" and "Let's Hear It For Love".[2] On 25 October 2008, Owen performed "Creatures of Habit" on Public Radio International's What d'Ya Know with Michael Feldman.

She has recorded and toured with Richard Thompson in recent years, notably on the 1000 Years of Popular Music recording and tour. She has also appeared on his albums including The Old Kit Bag and Sweet Warrior.

She appeared as herself in The Simpsons in the thirteenth season episode "The Blunder Years".

On 10 February 2011 she appeared on BBC Breakfast alongside Ruby Wax, promoting their new show, Losing It.



I want to know what there would be to research at the grove? Honestly do they have hordes of books or was the research in order to properly portray rich and influential folks partying like frat boys?

www.4rie.com...


Antony C. Sutton, Editor of an excellent monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:

"Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male.)

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and "relax." And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent [O'Brien and Phillips, TRANCE Formation of America (pp 170-1)] information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious - kidnapping, rape, pedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act. (!) And like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Has one eye? Didn't know that.
NABISCO!



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by Ladyk74
reply to post by JRCrowley
 


Wow are you serious? I will have to investigate this further. They send out MAPS? T-shirts? This is for real? I will do my own digging but THANK YOU for this!!!!


You gotta take Alex Jones with a grain of salt. Love his reports on Bohemian grove. Buts some of his other stuff is unfounded



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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I must admit you hit a soft spot with me and the grove. Intriguing. I'll be looking more and more into tonight



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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rense.com...

A very interesting and different angle of what happened.

Although I agree that MK-Ultra was probably prevalent in this incident, I also feel that there was a ritualistic aspect.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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You're welcome.

Vance did make it seem like interviewing the children was going to be difficult (which I can understand) and even more importantly, time consuming. A lot of what he said in his later press conferences hinted that this investigation is going to take a very long time. Why? The only children (I would think) who saw anything would be in the 2 rooms in which the shooter was in. Still, I'm sure interviewing everyone in the building is just protocol. But what about his statement about researching the history of the guns right down to them being on the assembly line? Why on earth would they waste time with that...or is that just it? They need to buy time?

Something that has bothered me a little bit was that the security measures (buzzing in?) at the school didn't kick in until 9:30. Seems like a bit of a late start to me...

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posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Here is a link to the Article on infowars, with all the previous maps

Article



A book titled “The Dark Knight Manual,” the “definitive guide to his tools, vehicles, and technologies,” was published, according to Amazon, on July 10, 2012 and features a map in which the section is called “South Hinkley,” not “Sandy Hook.” The book is described as “an in-world exploration of Christopher Nolan’s Batman,” and was released nearly simultaneously with the “Dark Knight Rises” movie, yet it fails to reflect the southern Gotham island as “Sandy Hook.”







The website FirstShowing.net says they received a package containing a “new Bane ‘Fire Rises’ t-shirt that comes in a tube wrapped in a map of Gotham City.” In this promotional material, vividly showing Bane’s “strike zones,” the map shows the southernmost island is titled “Sandy Hook.”



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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Good points. Has anyone seen any pictures of the children coming out in lines other this one? www.cbc.ca...

I can't remember the student population, but I thought it was around 600/700? The only photo I've come across of the students being escorted out was that one.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32


Short answer is, ask the member on this site who went to the funerals. Ill get to the other points in a minute.Odd how so many new members are popping up for this topic. 6 months ago, Id have bet my life on it being because of dec 21st.


Naturally wouldn't expect otherwise. Did I mention Dec, 21? Is that for real? Enquiring minds want to know (or not). We should defer to you on these troubling things.... hey I bet you're on this site all day everyday to set the sheeple straight...



Well that's the problem with being a new member. Ive posted several pictures of myself in Las Vegas on ats throughout the years. [


Cool...I got some holiday pics from vegas around somewhere!. I think I've got one of those "I love NY" picture of me around too.. got a picture of me hanging off the Empire State.... that was some trip!



You gotta take Alex Jones with a grain of salt. Love his reports on Bohemian grove. Buts some of his other stuff is unfounded


And we know we can always look to your guidance because you're a "senor" member and suddenly very concerned about all the new members here who are not towing the line on the officially sanctioned CTs - or are straying too far from the orthodoxy. The poor loudmouth AJ may be balling his eyes out but we know if there is anything fishy about the official cover story then our handsome hunk from LV will set us straight. Amen brother!
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posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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I think you missed her point entirely. Every day for the last few days that I have come into this thread, you have been here arguing with someone and throwing out attitude. Perhaps you should realize that people don't care to engage in offering proof of anything to YOU because you come across as snarky, condescending and only looking to argue for the sake of arguing. What makes you think everyone on here cares to "prove" anything to anyone? People are simply thinking out loud, throwing their thoughts out there, sharing information. We're not all here to change people's opinions, some of us are simply here to understand the truth of what really happened. My advice to you would be to get over yourself, and stop trying to make this entire thread about you. I thought the moderators already mentioned that in here, yet here you are STILL doing what you were doing DAYS ago. I've tried really hard to bite my tongue, and not post anything in regards to this, but your posts interfere with the flow of this thread, and really add nothing to this topic.

I apologize for my rant. Won't happen again, but I just couldn't help myself.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
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Good points. Has anyone seen any pictures of the children coming out in lines other this one? www.cbc.ca...

I can't remember the student population, but I thought it was around 600/700? The only photo I've come across of the students being escorted out was that one.



No this is the only photo, according to my knowledge. Good points indeed. We've been shown the helicopter film, where you see the first responders/officers running in the school, I believe it shows maybe 6 or 7 of them.

This means news and media was present already. They showed parents randomly by the firetrucks and policecars, but if I recall right, they replayed this image of the line, and the photo of the screaming mother on her cell phone. Shouldn't there been more kids in the evacuation, it must have been a lot of kids? This is weird indeed, if I think about how many children there are when I pick my daughter up from elementary school.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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What am I looking at here it is bazzare to say the least...



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by Cybernet
 


Good points. Has anyone seen any pictures of the children coming out in lines other this one? www.cbc.ca...
I can't remember the student population, but I thought it was around 600/700? The only photo I've come across of the students being escorted out was that one.


Hey check this out by TIME Magazine: The Story Behind the Iconic Photo Taken At Sandy Hook



Only thing iconic i see, is that the girl in the pink pants is having a blast. I see maybe....1 kid crying?



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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lol whatever man. I live in Vegas. Nothing I said is a, lie and has been and can always be verified.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Do you know which class that is? Did the shooter enter their classroom? Do we know what those specific kids heard or saw?



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by bknapple32
 


I think you missed her point entirely. Every day for the last few days that I have come into this thread, you have been here arguing with someone and throwing out attitude. Perhaps you should realize that people don't care to engage in offering proof of anything to YOU because you come across as snarky, condescending and only looking to argue for the sake of arguing. What makes you think everyone on here cares to "prove" anything to anyone? People are simply thinking out loud, throwing their thoughts out there, sharing information. We're not all here to change people's opinions, some of us are simply here to understand the truth of what really happened. My advice to you would be to get over yourself, and stop trying to make this entire thread about you. I thought the moderators already mentioned that in here, yet here you are STILL doing what you were doing DAYS ago. I've tried really hard to bite my tongue, and not post anything in regards to this, but your posts interfere with the flow of this thread, and really add nothing to this topic.

I apologize for my rant. Won't happen again, but I just couldn't help myself.


The moderators asked to stay on topic and stop the name calling and bickering.I didnt name call to anyone. She did.

And on topic, what you said isnt even accurate. You may be sharing your thoughts and trying to find out more. Which is great. But there are others who are certain its a conspiracy, or worse, a hoax. And they are pushing that agenda.I am merely countering that with questions. Questions most refuse to answer and instead deflect with personal attacks against me. Troll 101. You really think if I was a troll, Id still be here after almost 7 years ( 5 with this name, had a similar one but lost the pw and changed my email so I couldnt recover that name, started that one in 06 in case the math doesnt add up)?




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