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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Thank you for that post that explains Venus but not the other stars. Just the other day i was commenting to my husbans how I was upset I didn't have a better camera to take pictures of the night sky. The same clump of hazy stars that had been to the right of Venus also moved with it. The only reason I remember that is because the night before I noticed the change my daughter asked me what that clump of stars were...I didn't know.
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Maeven23
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Thank you for that post that explains Venus but not the other stars. Just the other day i was commenting to my husbans how I was upset I didn't have a better camera to take pictures of the night sky. The same clump of hazy stars that had been to the right of Venus also moved with it. The only reason I remember that is because the night before I noticed the change my daughter asked me what that clump of stars were...I didn't know.
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On a day to day basis the position of the stars at sunset shifts in a similar way to Venus, but because they are (essentially) fixed, but they will move (relatively speaking) in a much more consistent (and different) manner over the course of a year. At sunset the stars in the west (behind the sun) shift through the constellations, as we go around the sun. So you can view this as the constellations moving.

Venus moves with the constellations, but it will also move relative to them. Note where you see Venus now, and what stars it is next to - say 30 minutes after sunset. Over the next few days, you will see both venus and the stars move (from their sunset positions) relative to points on the horizon. But you will also see Venus move relative to the stars.




posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Is this typical contrails? This is a picture I took at the beginning of December at around 8:30 a.m



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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reply to post by MagicWand67
 

Stop posting crapola. You stated they would inject it into the exhaust gases. Yet your source states they would burn it through the engine.
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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I will post what ever I choose to.

As long as it's within the ATS T&C.

I quoted the source where they described using it by injecting it into the exhaust.

Why don't you try putting on your glasses and actually reading it.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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. Let me get this straight. If the supposed chemtrails are always covering the sky, then how can you tell the sun is closer than normal and also see things are not the same with the stars and the moon? Are you you typically this hyperbolic in your approach?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Here it is again.

Geoengineering PDF



Page 31

thrust augmentation may be realizable by injecting the sulfuric acid downstream of the turbine, in a manner similar to a modern afterburner. By this approach, to achieve thrust increases the turbine exhaust gases must be hot enough to vaporize the sulfuric acid



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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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I did read it. You read it again.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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This is the olny conspiracy where the only evidence for it is someone pointing up in the sky and saying "See !".



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Exactly, I don't know why people refuse to acknowledge that our skies have changed..It is no longer the blue sky of my youth but a hazy white with freaky clouds. Whether its contrails polluting our skies with exhaust or a sinister plot makes no difference to me because its obvious something is happening to our skies that is not healthy, normal nor should be tolerated.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Not true I have vacation pictures each year and the sky is blue in almost everyone of them. These span Euroe and the US.

You are going to have to do better than pointing up and syaing "proof". Just like people saying the Moon is 'off'. Their proof is pointing up and saying 'it wasn't like that when I was younger'.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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I can't account for the rest of the country I can only tell you what I see here in my own area. Now of course the sky isn't always white when the clouds finally clear I will guarentee you there will be contrails soon to come. The concept is that even if they are just regular contrail exhaust something is not right...the pollution that is being let out into the sky is having an effect that needs to be addressed.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by BrieBird
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Exactly, I don't know why people refuse to acknowledge that our skies have changed..It is no longer the blue sky of my youth but a hazy white with freaky clouds. Whether its contrails polluting our skies with exhaust or a sinister plot makes no difference to me because its obvious something is happening to our skies that is not healthy, normal nor should be tolerated.


There were plenty of hazy white skies in the past. Just look at old photos.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Those are beautiful pictures I noticed big fluffy clouds when it wasn't overcast. And no contrails. Am I missing something? So back in the day there were no contrails, creepy clouds but overcast days on occasion. Good point!



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Contrails are first reported in 1918 - I think the point is that there were hazy days and overcast skies before there were ever contrails - such skies are not actually new, despite what people may remember.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Maeven23
Those are beautiful pictures I noticed big fluffy clouds when it wasn't overcast. And no contrails. Am I missing something? So back in the day there were no contrails, creepy clouds but overcast days on occasion. Good point!


The point was there were haze white skies back then. That was in 1910, before any contrail had every formed from a plane.

And there were plenty of "creepy clouds" back then, nothing has changed. It just depends on the weather. See the book "Cloud Studies" by Clayden, in 1905
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by MagicWand67

Geoengineering PDF



Page 31

thrust augmentation may be realizable by injecting the sulfuric acid downstream of the turbine, in a manner similar to a modern afterburner. By this approach, to achieve thrust increases the turbine exhaust gases must be hot enough to vaporize the sulfuric acid



You don't use acid to increase thrust, you use water or something similar to cool the air in the combustion chamber, and allow it to compress further, which lets more air get packed into the chamber, which gives more thrust. Sulfuric acid in a jet engine will cause it to suffer damage that will require replacement and rebuilding much faster.

Current jet engines are capable of lasting for 40+ years. If you were to inject acid into them, they would fail in under half that time. Engines cost millions of dollars per engine, and that cost comes from the airline. With a fleet of several hundred aircraft, all of which have at least two engines, that's going to put them out of business in no time flat.

Water injection:







posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Yes,very very typical. You can see they are quite high, with natural looking clouds both above and below them. You can see the effect of parallel lines which can be caused by aircraft following a common air route and winds causing the trail to drift sideways before the next flight passed (also flights heading the same direction don't necessarily fly in the exact same space so trails can be side by side anyway).

So while it may look odd to you and you have your suspicions, there are reasons that contrails do this. I have similar photos myself of this effect over my housr and I have also taken the time to identify the flights that made them,just to be sure.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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It really amazes me that people can say how there is more aluminum and barium in the ground water, and point to a plane flying miles overhead as the cause. Since I've been driving again, I've been paying more attention to the things around me, and I've noticed a LOT of power plants that are just spewing all kinds of lovely things into the air, that get totally ignored. There is one in New Mexico that I could see the exhaust for an hour before I ever got to the plant itself.















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