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Originally posted by SilentKoala
They show more respect for Jesus than most Christians do.
Christ has a Gospel and Islam says that Gospel has been distorted.. Really? They are saying that his message was NOT loving your enemy. Which is it?
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Christ has a Gospel and Islam says that Gospel has been distorted.. Really? They are saying that his message was NOT loving your enemy. Which is it?
I believe the "gospel" contained the words that Jesus spoke.
For example, his sermon on the mount.
The accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are NOT the gospel.
edit on 16-12-2012 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
And this is the same reasoning that allows Islam to think they can dispel hate with hate. Only love dispels hatred.
The "gospel according to" somebody is not the perfect Gospel of Jesus. It would have truth mixed with falsehoods.
Of course Christians agree with al-Masih,
or a man to be God is an exceptional thing, and Nicenes believe Jesus is the one and only example.
the Christian side does not see transcending this categorical distinction as a limit on God's omnipotence. For example, God cannot make a four-sided triangle,
The "mechanism" for Jesus' categorical transcendence is that he is uncreated in the Nicene faith, begotten not made. In the Koranic account, Jesus has a beginning in Allah's wish - Isa is made not begotten.
This conceptual difficulty shows up in absurdities like that thread where you recite "I am human" passages from John as if they were counterexamples to the Christian perspective, when they are essential proof texts for that perspective.
One other thing about merely. Christians will accept that Mohammed was any kind of prophet at all before they accept that Mohammed was the equal of Jesus. In that sense, the categorical distinction between God and man seems well founded. Mohammed is merely a prophet, and Jesus is not his peer. In the Christian view, of course, if a great deal of elasticity is added.
Perhaps this also explains another phenomenon that came to my attention over the weekend: your dissatisfaction that Christians don't do more than peaceably object when somebody defames Jesus.
For example, about a billion people deny his divinity, or thoughtlessly append "pbuh" to his name, as if he were dead, and yet Christians do nothing about it.
Surely you would agree that its more respectful to Jesus when a muslim says "PBUH"....than what Jews say when Jesus' name is mentioned : "may his name be blotted out"... or "may his bones be ground to dust".
Going by my experience on forums, Christians DENY Islams recognition of Jesus as the messiah. They do so using a number of different tactics....
Which is why you find so many Christians... in their blind hatred of a religion that teaches Jesus is the messiah.... actually support the very people who insult Jesus... and call him a false prophet and a son of a whore.
Then the Nicenes never read Numbers 23:19.
Sure they don't say God can make a four sided triangle, but they do say God can be both God and the servant of God.
Jesus = created, but with human mother
Those "I am human" passages that I keep quoting are important because it goes directly against the basic idea that Jesus was God.
However, you will find that such a concept is NOT biblical.
In fact, it resembles Hinduism that teaches God took on different forms and interacted with humans on earth.
Many hindus actually believe Jesus was as "incarnation" of God who walked the earth.
Can you post a link?
Surely you would agree that its more respectful to Jesus when a muslim says "PBUH"....than what some Jews say when Jesus' name is mentioned : "may his name be blotted out"... or "may his bones be ground to dust".
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
And this is the same reasoning that allows Islam to think they can dispel hate with hate. Only love dispels hatred.
Originally posted by godlover25
If Islam is correct, than Judaism and Christianity are both false religions, and Islam is based on the revelations of Judaism and Christianity and relies on them being true,
Islam is a self negating religion,
Than I have a few words of advice: don't go by your experience.
I don't know any Christians who call Jesus false, and while mariology is a point of contention among Christians, I've never heard any Christian refer to Mary as a whore.
If I may say, I notice that you sometimes have difficulty understanding your opponents' arguments. For example, you recently mistook a canned, mechanically generated message listing possible faults as a personal accusation of committing all those specific faults. This, even though you could see that some of them had no relationship to anything you had done. No, I don't have a link for that either.
It's a fair bet that many Nicenes have read it. Let's see.
God is not a human being who speaks falsely, nor a mortal, who feels regret. Is God one to speak and not act, to decree and not bring it to pass?
Jesus spoke falsely and felt regret? Perhaps I have missed your point.
that Nicenes believe Jesus is the only incarnation of God. I suspect that only is a four-letter word which might make a big difference.
It is not my place to choose among the variety of religiously inspired defamatory remarks that might be made about Jesus.
and Islam is based on the revelations of Judaism and Christianity and relies on them being true,
Christian statements on their forums and websites indicates their approach to Jesus as Islam understands it.
You misread what I said.
The Jews are the only ones who spew religiously inspired insults towards Jesus.
I showed you the verse which shows God cannot be a man.
The Muslims say "Peace be upon him" or "Allahs blessings be upon him" after every mention of Jesus.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by EnochWasRight
And this is the same reasoning that allows Islam to think they can dispel hate with hate. Only love dispels hatred.
It has nothing to do with hate.
The "gospel according to" somebody is not the perfect Gospel of Jesus. It would have truth mixed with falsehoods.
Also why no word from Christians about Jesus' titles in Islam? Why do Christians teach the lie that Jesus is a "mere" prophet in Islam?
The truth is, Christians claim to "love" Jesus.... but in reality they love their doctrines. The same way the self-righteous Pharisees loved their "laws" and interpretations of it.
Which is why you find so many Christians... in their blind hatred of a religion that teaches Jesus is the messiah.... actually support the very people who insult Jesus... and call him a false prophet and a son of a whore.
The most popular Christian response is that Jesus was both God and man.... or that he was some kind of "man-god". However, you will find that such a concept is NOT biblical. In fact, it resembles Hinduism that teaches God took on different forms and interacted with humans on earth. Many hindus actually believe Jesus was as "incarnation" of God who walked the earth
The truth is, Christians claim to "love" Jesus.... but in reality they love their doctrines. The same way the self-righteous Pharisees loved their "laws" and interpretations of it.