American Gun Owners are the Biggest Wrench in the NWO Gears!

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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by freedomSlave
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Your staged mind control shootings are not going to do it. Even if you manage to get some bogus unconstitutional law passed it won't matter the vast majority will not comply!


Mind control .. Odd there have been mass murders before electricity . were they using some kinda jedi mind tricks before to get people to have mental disorders ?

As for the nwo they have other countries with resources they can still take over ... secondly if they control governments and military .. they have rockets and lazer and space weaponry drones . your little guns are like someone trying to pick a fight with you and your gun with a twig ..
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Then the American people will have no choice other than to be covert, underhanded, lying, secretive and deceitful about their weapons in order to keep them - the same sort of tactics the treacherous US gov likes to use on it's public in order to get it's own way.

As I see it, gov gotta know where the guns are before it can take them.

Americans should start and acquire themselves illegal weapons, the gov will only come after the legal ones as it already knows who owns them and their locations.

Time to play dirty.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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yep, at this pace, they could almost have all the registered ones, there are nearly double that in 'built' ones


nah, they'll be going after the ammo in one form or another.
if not the ammo itself then the parts that make it ammo, like powders, primers and lead itself.

hmmmm, maybe i've been subconsiouly collecting nails for a reason i'm just now realizing ?



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by MrSpad
No. I support the second amendment but, the idea that a mob of people with guns could stop and organized miltary force is beyond silly. They would be slaughtered in a stand up fight and if they were truly facing ruthless power like the NWO then any type of attempt at a guerilla actvity would lead to the exteremination of entire citiies. What you see in Iraq and Afganistan is the West who has revuslion from killing civilians or comitting mass murder. The first time you rebel against a true tyranical power they will act like the Germans when Heydrich was assasinated and destroy to villiages and the people that lived in them. So you can put away the fantasy that gun ownership in the US is some sort threat to truly tyranical power because it is not.



And who would they use for their soldiers? It's never happened and won't happen it is impossible. Apparently you did not read this post previously in the thread: you should Read This Post
 



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by MrSpad
No. I support the second amendment but, the idea that a mob of people with guns could stop and organized miltary force is beyond silly. They would be slaughtered in a stand up fight and if they were truly facing ruthless power like the NWO then any type of attempt at a guerilla actvity would lead to the exteremination of entire citiies. What you see in Iraq and Afganistan is the West who has revuslion from killing civilians or comitting mass murder. The first time you rebel against a true tyranical power they will act like the Germans when Heydrich was assasinated and destroy to villiages and the people that lived in them. So you can put away the fantasy that gun ownership in the US is some sort threat to truly tyranical power because it is not.


Let me guess you come from the city huh? A mob of people could easily stand up to the military depending on their background. Where I grew up the guys basically grow up with a weapon in their hands not to mention they also learn how to move so quietly the NWO would never hear them coming.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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the great American constitution and the second amendment will stand as long as folks yearn to be free and in control of their own destiny - unlike you U.K. abdicaters.
gun owners in America (U.S.) are among the greatest civilian armies in the world - at least 60 million strong.
teachers should arm themselves as the israely teachers.
s & f



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
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They need to take a look at violent video games and some of the prescription medications some of these kids are taking that warns of suicidal behavior. Mental heath needs to be addressed and treated for the epidemic it actually is and we need to have stricter and more conscientious gun control.

I also think it would be a great idea to start teaching mediation and conflict negotiations in school so every skinny, weakling and coward does not feel the only solution to his "deficiencies" is to arm himself to the teeth to show what a big man he is. This is flawed and sad thinking by people who are impotent without their guns. Doesn't have to be that way but like that commercial where the tough guy kicks sand in the face of the skinny weakling - it is effective at making men think if they get a gun, all their problems will be over and they will suddenly be big and brave. It doesn't work that way.

A little gun control and responsibility is needed. 1.4 million guns were stolen from homes and cars in 2005-2010! That's not responsible gun ownership - that is just providing guns to criminals.

If we do not implement sensible solutions now - I foresee the day that guns designed to kill humans are banned outright except for hunting.





Wow. You're quite a fan of tyranny. Great stuff. Let's regulate ourselves into oppression.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by freedomSlave
reply to post by hawkiye
 





Your staged mind control shootings are not going to do it. Even if you manage to get some bogus unconstitutional law passed it won't matter the vast majority will not comply!


Mind control .. Odd there have been mass murders before electricity . were they using some kinda jedi mind tricks before to get people to have mental disorders ?

As for the nwo they have other countries with resources they can still take over ... secondly if they control governments and military .. they have rockets and lazer and space weaponry drones . your little guns are like someone trying to pick a fight with you and your gun with a twig ..
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Tell that to the Mahdi Militia in Iraq and see how hard they laugh. Patriots would make any army bleed to death for trying to invade this nation. Iraq would seem like a small riot in comparison.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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I agree with everything in that post. However maybe this is what the NWO wants, to get us in a full on civil war and watch us bleed ourselves till they decide we are ripe for attack so maybe they have a chance to win or at least tie us up so bad they can do as they please in other parts of the world.

Like invade Israel. My worst fear!



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by TruthSeekerMike

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by hawkiye
 



They need to take a look at violent video games and some of the prescription medications some of these kids are taking that warns of suicidal behavior. Mental heath needs to be addressed and treated for the epidemic it actually is and we need to have stricter and more conscientious gun control.

I also think it would be a great idea to start teaching mediation and conflict negotiations in school so every skinny, weakling and coward does not feel the only solution to his "deficiencies" is to arm himself to the teeth to show what a big man he is. This is flawed and sad thinking by people who are impotent without their guns. Doesn't have to be that way but like that commercial where the tough guy kicks sand in the face of the skinny weakling - it is effective at making men think if they get a gun, all their problems will be over and they will suddenly be big and brave. It doesn't work that way.

A little gun control and responsibility is needed. 1.4 million guns were stolen from homes and cars in 2005-2010! That's not responsible gun ownership - that is just providing guns to criminals.

If we do not implement sensible solutions now - I foresee the day that guns designed to kill humans are banned outright except for hunting.





Wow. You're quite a fan of tyranny. Great stuff. Let's regulate ourselves into oppression.


And the funny thig is these people can't see the forest for the trees. Cars kill hundreds of times more people then guns do despite the regulation. And Sudifed is regulated to try and prevent tweekers from making meth yet LE claims meth is reaching epidemic purportions... So much for the success of regulations/prohibitions... Me thinks a significant amount of these posts are sock puppets and the rest are just ignorant people who fall for the rhetoric



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Hey hawkiye, we are on the same page when it comes to keeping our guns, but in regards to your second post about the NWO's ability to take our guns, if such a force does exist ( I know it does exist in the form of political and banking but I dont know if it really is building an army and whatnot) then I would not doubt that they have taken your points into account and are holding off attack until they have the right time or technology to ensure total success.

From what I can tell about those who want a New World Order, they are willing to wait to make sure they have covered all their grounds before attempting to knock down America. And after reading alot of threads about future technology, space weapons, neutron bombs and the like, and knowing that those who control the NWO are some of the richest people in the world, it would lead me to believe that it is their goal to develop these secretive and amazing technologies which will completely shock the American people if ever used against them.

Anyways no claims, just some thoughts.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Yes they did indeed have mass mind control way back then...and it is still being used to this very day...it's called Religion...as in the Crusades, Inquisitions and Colonization.

You know...the Pope / Priest said that God said...yet there is NO WHERE in the entire Bible that backs up their claim.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Asked and unanswered:

The OP insists that the raison d'être of the 2nd is the peoples right to defend themselves from tyrants, foreign and domestic. Fine.

The Supreme Court upheld Citizens United -- legislation more pernicious to liberty than the Tea Act, by several orders of magnitude, and there was no rallying call for resistance from the NRA or gun enthusiast lobby.

What -- besides the guns themselves -- are they willing to fight for?

I am genuinely curious.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
Asked and unanswered:

The OP insists that the raison d'être of the 2nd is the peoples right to defend themselves from tyrants, foreign and domestic. Fine.

The Supreme Court upheld Citizens United -- legislation more pernicious to liberty than the Tea Act, by several orders of magnitude, and there was no rallying call for resistance from the NRA or gun enthusiast lobby.

What -- besides the guns themselves -- are they willing to fight for?

I am genuinely curious.


"...Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..." IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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That's a BS answer, but I'll leave you to it.

The Tea Act gave one company an unfair advantage over Colonial enterprises through tariff; the Citizens United ruling gave every corporation permission to buy the peoples representatives wholesale.

If that seems "trivial" to you, I am not sure we have a common frame of reference.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
Asked and unanswered:

The OP insists that the raison d'être of the 2nd is the peoples right to defend themselves from tyrants, foreign and domestic. Fine.

The Supreme Court upheld Citizens United -- legislation more pernicious to liberty than the Tea Act, by several orders of magnitude, and there was no rallying call for resistance from the NRA or gun enthusiast lobby.

What -- besides the guns themselves -- are they willing to fight for?

I am genuinely curious.
since the Citizens United decision was focused more on free speech, what does that have to do with the 2nd, anyway ?

defending self and personal freedom is paramount ... regardless who the tyrant is.
why is this concept confusing for you ?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Citizens United ruling gave every corporation permission to buy the peoples representatives wholesale
any chance you'd care to point that out in the decision, itself ?
or are you just repeating msm rhetoric ?
don't suppose you know what PACs are or how long they've been around?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:28 AM
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I don't think ANYONE outside america feels this is the case.
Sometimes you have to put your personal feelings aside and listen to the other side of the argument.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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how many swiss folk do you know ?
how 'bout australians ?
maybe some cubans ?
if not, then perhaps you should open your mind to the other side, eh?

Americans know freedom isn't guaranteed without the ability to defend it.
the NWO could care less about freedom for anyone.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 07:45 AM
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This idea that guns are a wrench in the NWO and that they are needed to defend against tyranny is just absurd.

Let’s take the claim that they are a wrench in the plans of the NWO, the gun lobby is one of the biggest and most powerful in America with a huge influence on government and for the most part it is led by the military industrial complex and big cooperation’s. If the NWO wanted to take your guns would they not just withdraw this support for the gun lobby? The gun lobby is one of the most powerful lobbies in America if you believe in the omnipotent NWO then surly they must be part of this powerful lobby that wants less gun control not more.

Now what about this idea of preventing tyranny, your government is already the most tyrannical entity in America, if not the world if you believe the conspiracies promoted on ATS. How can you say that you need your guns to prevent against tyranny when you have the Patriot Act and the TSA?

Your guns would not defend you if your government truly turned its armed forces against the people (not that this is likely to happen) how is your AR 15 going to stand up to a Predator Drone or a Tomahawk Missile, how is your hand gun going to stand up against a tank, how do you suppose your shot gun will stop a nuclear bomb?

If the Armed forces of America and its government turn against its people, its people don’t stand a chance to believe that you do because you own several guns is laughable.

Tyranny and the NWO are not a reason to support the gun lobbies.

You are looking at this form the wrong angel, perhaps if the NWO do exist, they are just hopping that if they give you all enough guns you will all kill each other without “them” having to lift a figure

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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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If the Armed forces of America and its government turn against its people, its people don’t stand a chance to believe that you do because you own several guns is laughable.


Tell that to the Mahdi militia in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Americans are far better prepared then those people who have held out for over a decade against all this superior firepower your ilk keeps claiming we would not stand a chance against. Read my previous post on why no modern army has ever defeated an indigenous people on their own soil. They won't use WMD's because they want the land intact and inhabitable...

And the so called gun lobby is a joke they have been compromising our gun rights away for decades. Anyone who doesn't think there is a concerted effort to outlaw guns is not paying attention. They have been chipping away at gun rights since the 1968 firearms act....

Geeze welcome to sock puppet central folks. I hope folks realize a certain number of these anti-gun posts are just sock puppet accounts the rest are just ignorant people susceptible to their influences...

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