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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
But hey, you go ahead and keep using the death of innocent children to further your political and social ambitions... People like you have become very proficient in doing exactly that...
Originally posted by Logos23
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This reply is probably way more polite than you deserved...but I walk away with my dignity intact
Originally posted by Logos23
Actually..... for the period of 2009 in the UK there were 18 gun homicides ....for the same period there were 9,146 in the US.....considering that the US has 5 times more people than the UK then you do the maths on comparing the gun homicide rates between the two countries!
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by yadda333
I love how you try to derail the thread, and the fact that i proved your arguments make no sense at all and have no ground whatsoever...
This claim of yours that because society and government has changed we should be giving away natural rights like the second amendment shows your state of mind lacks any common sense.
Your inability to admit when you are wrong is common among your group/people like you, as is your inability to put blame, and personal responsibility where it is due... Instead you, like so many others want to blame "guns", and the right of people to own and bear arms for crimes like this one...
Nice try...
edit on 18-12-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by yadda333
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Posters like you have driven normal people to extremes. Now I can't help but think that is your goal......post ridiculous things in order to drive people into choosing a side. Quite genius actually. But why? Hmm....kind of like a conspiracy theory.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
I much prefer to live in the UK as it is rather than have millions of guns available. We have some of the lowest murder rates of gun crime in the world...[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdExSbktqRWpLMjNUMkFGVk5VODRyTnc#gid=0]
Originally posted by soundguy
I don't understand nor will I abide by those who want to bastardized the second amendment just because they can. That totally violates the spirit and purpose of it. There is absolutely no reason or need to own assault weapons in this country. And those who keep insisting it is their right and blah, blah, blah are doing nothing more than looking like the kooks that they are to the regular folks out here. Nut on, I am sure you haven't been reached as you can't be reached, sadly it is not in your DNA. I can't imagine what it is like to live in such fear and paranoia on a daily basis. I pray that someday you find find Jesus, and he will show the true path to righteousness. Until then I stand with General McCrystal.
Originally posted by soundguy
Wow is it just me or are the gun nuts getting nuttier every day? I just can't wrap my head around what these lunatics are trying to say? Christ is a gun advocate? God given rights? Are you brain deads aware of the part of our constitution that deals with laws and religion? It is unfortunate that these weak minds cant take a step back and see how we (normal folks) view them.
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There is absolutely no reason or need to own assault weapons in this country. And those who keep insisting it is their right and blah, blah, blah are doing nothing more than looking like the kooks that they are to the regular folks out here. Nut on, I am sure you haven't been reached as you can't be reached, sadly it is not in your DNA. I can't imagine what it is like to live in such fear and paranoia on a daily basis. I pray that someday you find find Jesus, and he will show the true path to righteousness. Until then I stand with General McCrystal.
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
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IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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Originally posted by NIcon
So what you are saying, Electric, is "the right to defend yourself" is the "natural right", not the right to "own" a firearm.
Originally posted by NIcon
So what you are saying, Electric, is "the right to defend yourself" is the "natural right", not the right to "own" a firearm.
Originally posted by NIcon
Society has every right to decide as a whole what a person can "own", including for their own defense. Society has every right to determine what is ordinarily necessary for a person to protect themselves. It also has the right to define the situations in which a person can defend themselves and how.
Originally posted by NIcon
Are you so concerned about being considered a "criminal" by the very government you are protecting yourself from? The minute the "revolution" begins all "law-abiding gun owners" would be considered "criminal" anyway.
Originally posted by NIcon
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Now do you have something equivalent to DNA tests to show ownership of a gun is a natural right or is god granted?