R.I.P Britannia, page 1

Originally posted by UK Wizard
Source: Mail on Sunday: Front Page and Page 5

People say the Britain is being slowly consumed by the monster that is the EU.... and I agree with them.
Britain will soon surrender it's immigration and asylum policy to Brussels, who wishes a EU wide immigration and asylum policy.

This is reflected in a question put by MEP Nigel Farage to Peter Mandelson and other EU commisoners.

Nigel Farage asked:

Given that the EU constitution has been approved, what parts of it should we press ahead with now

Mr Mandelson replyed with:

The plan of Brussels is to implement as much of the constitution as they can before it has even been ratified. In Britain's case it is not just asylum, it is also justice and home affairs, where basically, we are seeing moves towards the European codification of criminal law.

A spokeman for Mr Blunkett confirmed that tomorrow's meeting would see Britain agreeing to surrender it's veto on asylum issues.

Why should we remain a member of a corrupt and Burocratic alliance that wish's to see the end to Britain's Sovereignty and replace it wish a politically correct mess it calls the EU constitution.

it's either

OR

Who do you put first, your own country or a alliance you never voted to join?

(Opinions are extra welcome from those not in Europe)

[edit on 24-10-2004 by UK Wizard]

- Hmm, the last place I would look for unbiased and full reporting on Europe is either The Mail, Sunday Mail, Telegraph , Sunday Telegraph, The Sun, The Sunday Times or the Times (in that order with all but the Times titles vying for most twisting, idiotic and outrageous, frequently).

The Mail was famously one of the UK's Hitler supporting rags.....and some might say it's instincts remain similar- ish.

I'm all for a UK in full equal cooperative partnership in Europe; which IMO is what we all have in the EU.

IMO this is a situation far superior to the (IMO) out-dated and potentially very dangerous small/medium competitive European 'nation states'.

Europe doesn't view the UK as the centre of the world. Europe hopes we'll participate but if we're dumb enough in the UK to leave well, ok, we are free to do so but it will be us that suffer.

Who do you put first, your own country or a alliance you never voted to join?

- But we did vote to join Wizard.

You might not have done because of your age but then you don't know the conditions that were existant that led to our joining. The UK share of world trade was plummeting. Neither Commonwealth nor any so-called 'free open world trade' nor membership of EFTA (oh yes we were in the 'it's just a trading group' thingy first) were any help in stopping the slide.

So we joined the EEC/EU, we then voted on the matter and voted yes as the only sane thing to do.

It obviously is news to you that during the vote there were people discussing how Europe would grow and develop. A 'United States of Europe' was discussed as a future possibility. Claims that 'everyone thought we were just joining a trading group' are a lie. We had been in one of those just before (EFTA). Andrew Neil (editor of the Scotsman and ex-editor of the Sunday Times) even wrote a book on this very subject at the time.

But the EU will carry on and we will still have to deal with them.....although the childish minds that think we'll retain all the benefits of full membership in this 'new relationship' might like to explain why they should disadvantage themselves by allowing the UK the same benfits we enjoyed before we left?
(Rather than degenerate to the 'dream' certain EU-haters have of merely becoming, er, well..... God knows what. Some seem to dream of traitoring our country completely to become akin to a mere US 'state'.)

A spokeman for Mr Blunkett confirmed that tomorrow's meeting would see Britain agreeing to surrender it's veto on asylum issues.

- Such pathetically loaded language - clearly intended for those who have given the issue of 'veto's ' no thought whatsoever. At present everybody has a veto. With 25 members now that is simply unworkable. So now we are agreeing to move to weighted majority voting. It makes sense and it will work.

......and what sort of cretin thinks that the other EU countries aren't interested in coming up with a sensible and workable asylum system anyway?

You see? We haven't 'surrendered' anything. We're dumping methods now unworkable in the new circumstances the increased membership has brought.

But, if you want to continue to complain about a 'version' of the EU - as you see it - feel free but you might at least consider the other points of view on the matter.

- By the way by all accounts it was The Mail's Simon Heffer who embarrassed tory MP and shadow cabinet minister Boris Johnson by being the actual writer of that rubbish about Ken Bigley and Liverpool in the Spectator last week.

Heffer is one of the UK media's so-called 'young fogeys', who, along with that other risible figure Peter Hitchins is one of the Mail's most ludicrously out of touch writers. A man who cannot bear the UK as it actually is today and who continues to get paid a fortune for his never ending dreary essays about how Britain has some attainable 'golden age' if only we......blah blah blah.

[edit on 24-10-2004 by sminkeypinkey]