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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
Luckily, the ATS community largely consists of a fringe community of disaffected crazy blabbering idiots that no sane representative would ever listen to. Yes, there are many great informed members on this forum, but they are the minority.
Don't take the comments posted on this forum seriously. There are too many Jesus nuts, homophobes, right-wing borderline fascists and phony libertarians on these forums.
Originally posted by SilentE
I can't believe some of the posts i'm reading!
Who the f# do you think you are?
I'm from the England and I accept any advice or opinion from any country.
Why so much aggression towards us Brits?
It's all good when America gets all up in the worlds business but god forbid someone from the UK says anything about their f'in guns.
It's been a sad couple days ATS and some of you ignorant pompous yanks should be ashamed of yourselves!
Originally posted by rugger
reply to post by Klassified
Stop watching CNN&FOX NEWS fool its melting you brain.that's the problem.wake up fool!
Originally posted by juleol
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
It isn't a gun problem... it is a GOD problem. I'm not saying that everyone should be religious zealots, and that America should force God on everyone, BUT with God comes morality, for the vast majority of people anyway. When America gave in to the 2% of the population that doesn't believe in God, it started a downward spiral that has kicked God out of society in the interest of political correctness. Evil manifests in the absence of God, and God has been absent from our society for far too long. Secular humanism has destroyed our morals, and this shooting is just one of many examples of that. Things are only going to get worse from here.
You Christians have to even bring up religion in this thread eh??
And didnt you know it was a sin to lie?? People dont believe in God can have more morals than the average christian. I guess those christian run child care homes that abused kids had morals as well eh??
Originally posted by billy82269
Originally posted by n00bUK
I get where your coming from, fully. But something needs to change, there is a problem that can not be ignored.
Americas attitude towards firearms is like no other, at least from an outside perspective. Its like how you stereotype us Brits and our obsession with Tea - Well we could easily see you sat eating your breakfast with 2 Beretta's at either side of your cereal, and an AK-47 tucked under the table 'just in case'.
I will put my hands up and say that taking and banning guns is too late, its very impractical to say the least. But we have to accept that the gun policy and your social environmental just isn't balanced out right, something needs to give.
We fought two wars so that we wouldn't need to worry about you Brits opinion of our society.
Originally posted by merkins
reply to post by DreamerOracle
As a fellow Brit I have to agree with your sentiment but I must also disagree with the claim we are freer than the US.
Each country has a different personality. Because of this the NWO/police state/elites tailor their plans accordingly. Take for example CCTV. We are the most surveilled society on the planet, far worse than places like China and the US. The UK as a personality is willing at this time to accept levels of surveillance cameras far higher than would currently be feasible or acceptible in the US.
Also, something not many people seem to realise is that here in the UK we also have a right to bear arms (of sorts). In the UK we have the right to own a shotgun. It is a right and not a privilege and therefore when applying for a shotgun licence we need not provide a reason for our desire to own one and the onus is on the Police to find a reason to deny you that licence. However, when we're talking hand guns, rifles, automatics we must demonstrate a need for them and therefore the onus is on us and not the police. Unfortunately for me, a bout of depression in my medical records is all the cops need to deny me that right.
We should also not forget that we in the UK do not really have a constitution, whereas in the US they have the best system (though admittedly now corrupted), a constitutional republic. Pure democracies, contrary to popular belief are not a desirable form of government. In a democracy, the moment 51% of the population want the other 49% dead they can vote democratically for it. Imagine sharia law being passed in the UK because islamic immigrants out number christians.edit on 16-12-2012 by merkins because: Add to
Originally posted by Klassified
Originally posted by yourmaker
The thing is Klassified, if it ever gets too bad in your eyes, you can always fight to change it.
The dream has yet to be made because the dream has yet to be realized.
I try to do something every day to make a difference. Even if it's something as simple as getting the cashier at a convenience store, or a family member, or friend, to question what they believe, or what they've been told. Any little thing to get people to think for themselves, and not what I, or anyone else tells them to think.
I'm not just an armchair activist. I talk to real people every day, face to face.
Originally posted by Klassified
Whatever one may think about the origins and beginnings of our nation, the fact remains, there were individuals who believed in freedom so much they were willing to give their own lives, as well as the lives of their families to obtain it.
We have become a mere shadow of our ancestors. A people who vacillate at the very notion we might have to sacrifice for our own good, as well as the good of the whole. A people who are so fearful, we cater and bow to the whim and fancy of those who hold the reigns of this country, and are steering it right into the headlight of an oncoming locomotive. A people so accustomed to fear based living, that we are only shocked and angered by the most heinous of acts, and only then when we are MADE to be aware of them. A people so polarized and in denial of reality, that we perpetuate the very death and destruction we so despise. Which in turn, perpetuates the fear we have become accustomed to.
As a people, it is our responsibility to objectively educate ourselves, observe, and pinpoint the very root causes of the problems we face nationally, and globally. It is OUR responsibility! Not the corporations. Not the governments. Ours, and ours alone, to steer this world into a future we desire for our children, and our grandchildren.
And that's going to require cooperation and sacrifice. That's going to require a common goal. WE need to decide what that goal is, before the minority decides it for us. WE need to decide what has more value for all of us, than our petty differences.
You want a safer and better world? Create one.