Originally posted by Brown Bear
Originally posted by Dispo
Please clarify, are you advocating eugenics?
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edit on 15-12-2012 by
Dispo because: (no reason given)
What's the problem with Eugenics? We see the problems that develop without Eugenics or any recognition of responsible natural selection... and they
These unhealthy nuts and morons are coming from somewhere.
edit on 17-12-2012 by Brown Bear because: (no reason given)
I think it's already been covered fairly well by other posters here, but since you addressed me I'll reply too.
Eugenics is morally offensive to the traditional western value system, where the rights of the individual are held above the rights of the state. It
can be implemented in a number of ways, e.g. preventing breeding among undesirables, possibly through sterilisation or murder or it can be done
through genetic engineering, a.k.a. "designer babies."
In the first example, you are forcibly removing the right of an individual to procreate, or even killing him or her. It is harmful to that person and
therefore wrong, according to the system of values I was raised under. This is a knee jerk feeling that I can never shake because it has been
ingrained in my psyche for decades.
In the second example you are altering a person before they can give fully informed consent on the process. This is also wrong under my system of
In other cultures where the individual is more subservient to the state, the topic of eugenics may be a less contentious issue and therefore not
As for the practical and ethical implications of eugenics, if we stick to the OP's given scenario of culling the mentally abnormal population, we
have to remember the implications of such an act.
Ethically, who decides what is a desirable trait in the population? If we do reach some kind of universal consensus about what we should select for in
humanity, what happens in 500 years when an unforeseeable event occurs which favours traits we've bred out of the population like intelligence or
strength, or poor eyesight, or a slow metabolism and so on? Are aesthetics a viable trait we can select for or is that wrong?
Eugenics brings up one of the greatest sci-fi dystopian premises of all times too, but nobody ever seems to make this logical leap until it's pointed
out to them, I'm going to make a series of statements here, I think each one of them follows on from the previous one easily enough, I haven't come
across a flaw in it yet, which saddens me:
There is a genetic ideal out there somewhere which makes humans in to the best we can be in every field.
This genetic ideal can be achieved with eugenics, mainly the genetic engineering branch.
This genetic template will cause everyone in the world to have the same genotype and phenotype, or they will be inferior to the rest of the world.
Everyone will eventually be bullied, coerced or convinced in to allowing their baby to be born with this genetic template.
The human race will essentially become a clone species.
Clone species are more easily destroyed e.g. climatic change, disease.
Eugenics will eventually lead to the destruction of the human race, as a major cataclysm hundreds of thousands of years away will wipe out 100% of the
population instead of 90% due to the lack of variation within the species.
On a note which is closer to home, several traits are closely linked to many others, the main one in this context would be intelligence/propensity for
mental illness. This isn't just in humans either, we see it as you work up the intelligence ladder on an evolutionary scale, I think one of the first
animals on the intelligence scale to experience depression is the mouse, but it's a rare thing. As you move on to smarter animals, their mental
cognition becomes less uniform leading to greater ranges of independent thought or "mental illness" e.g. parrots and primates, with humans having
the highest rate of mental abnormalities in any known species. So yeah, my main problem with breeding out the schizos is that we'll end up in an
Idiocracy style future where the stupid rule the world, but hey, at least we won't have any nutters about!