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Originally posted by kingsquirel
Most forget, to soon, that America set the precedence with the legal standard, as it once was a hierachial chain, and if you where not in the top down from two, your family was worthless. So let us not forget what America has done for all people, if not a bill of rights, to stopping slavery.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Most forget, to soon, that America set the precedence with the legal standard, as it once was a hierachial chain, and if you where not in the top down from two, your family was worthless. So let us not forget what America has done for all people, if not a bill of rights, to stopping slavery.
No offence but I think you need to learn your history a little better. America has done some good things, but you most certainly did not 'stop slavery'. Nor did you invent many of the legal remedies you are proud of: en.wikipedia.org...
Much of what you use in your government came from ours, and we have pioneered significant improvement in the rights of our citizens since then. Not to say America has been wholly bad or anything, but if you think having a constitution is some sort of amazing feat then you need to learn a lot more about where your nation came from.
Originally posted by kingsquirel
interesting, are you speaking from poland? Curious as poland has benn invaded and does not have a constitutionf for its people, so what perspective are you speaking from as the wiki link you sent, was to arbritary in form?
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by kingsquirel
interesting, are you speaking from poland? Curious as poland has benn invaded and does not have a constitutionf for its people, so what perspective are you speaking from as the wiki link you sent, was to arbritary in form?
No I am speaking from the United Kingdom. We've been invaded more times than you can count and have invaded basically everywhere else as well. Your systems are based upon ours, having extended and amended where you see fit.
We were ruling against slavery before your country existed, and really you should know about things like this: news.bbc.co.uk...
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Glad you finally clarified yourself, yes the U.K. whom do not have a Constitution yet.
the same U.K. whom have been railroaded by the E.U. and international bankers.
Yes, you where exactly whom i was speaking about as your rights are by a set parlimentary and the biggest whore to the queen gets the winnings.
America not the U.K. set the precedence on law, and on munipal fees with "due cause" however you wouldnt know that unless you where a history major would you. So keep bugging, as it works?
Originally posted by whatsecret
I am American and just yesterday I started a thread about our second amendment. Today I am ready to give it up if that means our babies would be safe. Unfortunately that is not what it means.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Glad you finally clarified yourself, yes the U.K. whom do not have a Constitution yet.
Yet? You realise we've been around as a nation longer than you right? What do you think this is? en.wikipedia.org...
It's so old that it has been superseded by modern law. Please don't be so arrogant as to think that a Constitution is some sort of higher form of Government.
the same U.K. whom have been railroaded by the E.U. and international bankers.
If by 'railroaded' you mean we've basically taken all the good parts with virtually none of the bad then sure. We have our own currency, enforce our own border controls and yet our citizens get the right to go and live and work in any other EEA country with no hassle. It's awesome.
Yes, you where exactly whom i was speaking about as your rights are by a set parlimentary and the biggest whore to the queen gets the winnings.
Nope, our human rights are enforced by the ECHR and a number of similar rulings. Please don't be so arrogant when you obviously don't know your history or the UK at all. The Queen donates all of her income from her property to the state by the way, and holds no law making power whatsoever.
America not the U.K. set the precedence on law, and on munipal fees with "due cause" however you wouldnt know that unless you where a history major would you. So keep bugging, as it works?
What are you even talking about with municipal fees? If you bothered to read you'd see that you were wrong, Habeus Corpus for example emerged in the UK and was adopted by the US when you became independent.
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Originally posted by whatsecret
I am American and just yesterday I started a thread about our second amendment. Today I am ready to give it up if that means our babies would be safe. Unfortunately that is not what it means.
What your saying is unfathomable. Thus the reason, once you lose this right, that right is never coming back. just as jurisprudence never happened in the U.K. it was more that the fief was represented by his owner. So so easy to throw away your rights, due in part to 27 people dying, however, more than 3000 a year die in car accidents whom's corporations go out of their way in fighting the law suits?
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Anyone else thoughts?
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Anyone else thoughts?
My thoughts are, our Constitution has been so amended over the last 200 years, and most of it in the last 50 years that our Constitution resembles absolutely nothing towards what the original once was. Don't be surprised if the second amendment is deleted and the first amendment will be right on it's heels. The first thing governments do before they establish tyranny is they disarm the people, after that comes freedom of speech.
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Exponent, love the arbritrary tone, how every wiki does not suffice, feeling like i am dealing with a college proffesor backed by his grant money from halliburton than dealing with a person,
your lack of history, elaborates that you are not inconclusive, thus, i am wasting my time with a shilll, or a person whom does not want to do a history search on the truth, as "this is just fine" doesnt work, from what i had to say.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by kingsquirel
Exponent, love the arbritrary tone, how every wiki does not suffice, feeling like i am dealing with a college proffesor backed by his grant money from halliburton than dealing with a person,
You mean someone who actually knows a little bit about history and so knows the US didn't 'end slavery'.
That was your claim, now you're trying to shy away from it as it's remarkably ignorant.
your lack of history, elaborates that you are not inconclusive, thus, i am wasting my time with a shilll, or a person whom does not want to do a history search on the truth, as "this is just fine" doesnt work, from what i had to say.
My friend, you are the one refusing to learn more, you believe the US ended slavery when in fact they continued it longer than pretty much everyone else. You believe the US introduced legal reforms, wheras the majority of them were taken from earlier British works.
Deny Ignorance.