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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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First of all this post could of gone under a couple of other forums here but because I am giving away classified technical secrets this was the best place to put it. Ok, here goes. Everyone remember Bob Lazar and John Hutchinson? Bob worked at area 51 and John discovered the Hutchinson effect for which he was denied scientific credit for because well to make it short he is not the average scientist and his discovery fell under military classified status.

I am not here to say how I came about this knowledge that is another post for another day but I am here to tell you how the USA's most advance space propulsion technology works technically. Those facts bolsters Bobs story and explains how the Hutchinson effect works.

In John's experiments he used large Tesla coils around an object and hit the object with radar beams to make them quake, shake, float, and melt. No one could understand it. The military started studying it. Here is how it works. The Tesla coils control the speed and distance of the electrons from their nuclei. The radar beams or to be more specific the EMF (electro-magnetic waves) which propagate negative electrically, positive, electrically, magnetic north, and magnetic south were put into phase with the atoms because of the Tesla coils control over the electrons to set up the "Gauss Gun Effect" which was called the Hutchinson Effect. You see the EMF pushed and pulled the atoms of the matter like a magnet going thru a gauss gun. Because electrons are negative, protons are positive, and electrons have north and south polls. So with control over the electrons the EMF can be put in phase with the matter to make the matter act like a magnet going thru a gauss gun. It describes why UFOs create the high energy fields that they do and explains how they fly.





So, this validates Hutchinson now here is how this helps Bob. Bob said a wave guide amplified gravity from a reactor in the ship. Well atomic matter gives off energy under certain conditions and that energy can be EMF. So emf was collected in a reactor from atomic matter and put thru a wave guide to EMF emitters in the bottom of the ship. Now, here is the rest of the story. EMF can be phased to make the matter move away from the source or move toward the source. That explains Bobs story of how the UFO pushes and pulls against earths gravity. Bob said they changed the phase of their gravity beam when in earths gravity so instead now of pulling the ship it is pushing the ship toward the source not away from it. When in phase with matter the matter is moving thru the emf like a magnet moving thru a gauss gun because of the way EMF propagates thru space. This can be used to control inertia, time, and gravity and give the effects Bob described of the craft at area 51. John Hutchinson with his experiments has all ready proven this works and it is real. He should not of tried to hoax that ufo experiment though that hurt his creditability really bad and was used as disinformation against him to discredit him.

The wood and metal melted together because the Tesla coils with the help help of the emf pushed their electrons too far from their atoms as would happen in high heat except wood normally burns not melt. Hutchinson proved wood could be melted instead of burned. Again no Nobel prize for him poor guy. So this is no hoax this does work and no one here was suppose to know this so please forget you ever read this when you leave.

Oh and last to create a tractor beam like Travis Walton got hit with and abducted with they the Aliens and the USA government use high powered electron guns in place of Tesla coils in conjunction with a high powered emf emitter to set up the gauss gun/Hutchinson effect with matter. That is how they lift those cows out of the field into their ships for food and mutilation. The same principle that makes the ship fly can also with the help of electron guns be used to make a tractor beam to lift stuff off the ground. Even crush it yes it can be used to make a weapon too. John Hutchinson made his stuff fly which proves it does works. See youtube.com for Johns videos called the Hutchinson effect.

There may be some people show up in this thread in an attempt to discredit my post but what I am saying is the truth. It is about time the public knew.

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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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On-topic: Have there been any replications of these findings, seems very interesting and I've heard stories of alchemists bonding metals to wood, all fanciful back then but everything is slowly coming to fruition.

Off-topic: Also, I don't see how or why things are being kept from us all, if technology is out in the open free for all then great things come of it because of future aspirations to design bigger and better things, to advance humanity, regeneration does exist but why would people who want to live for extended periods of time want to be confined to a restricted area...

S+F for providing us/me with something that should be of great interest to everyone. Thank you.
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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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I fully believe the info presented to be pretty authentic. My question is, how many years has this technology been in use for and what has it evolved to now?
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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Reactor
So this is no hoax this does work and no one here was suppose to know this so please forget you ever read this when you leave.


Wasn't sure if I should even post a reply after that last sentence.
Interesting read and outside the box approach. Nice tie in with Area 51, Hutchinson and Lazar.

S & F




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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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Can you elaborate on this?

Originally posted by Reactor
This can be used to control inertia, time, and gravity and give the effects Bob described of the craft at area 51.


I'm trying to be open-minded, but I don't understand how this could be used as a method of space travel. Space is mostly a vacuum, so what matter would you be able to pull or push off of? If you used a distant star as an anchor, you'd have to wait for the electromagnetic wave to reach the star first, which would be many years.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Mention of Tesla: Check
Using the name of someone who makes fantastic claims with never giving proof (Bob): Check
US military (especially Area 51): Check (Double Check)
Claims insider information: Check
Claims to have proof but wont supply it: Check
Asks to just be believed: Check

Well we just went 6/6 on the hoax checklist!
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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Inertia is controlled because a gravity field is setup in the ship. The ship and its people move as one object instead of several objects going in the same direction. This is artificial gravity created artificially. The way people move with the planet earth is a good example. It goes around the sun but we all stay on the ground instead of flying off into outer space. Gravity cancels inertia.

Time is controlled because the speed of the electrons is controlled around the atoms. The people inside can experience time faster or slower because the chemical and atomic reactions of their bodies is regulated by the ships gravity field.

And last but not least gravity is controlled. Remembered my tractor beam example (I re-edited by post if you did not read it look at it.) the ships artificial gravity field can make the occupants in the ship heaver or lighter it is also what moves the ship thru space modifying Einsteins equations. That is more complex to explain but with the simulated gravity field cancelling out normal space-time now the speed of light can be broken.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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The Atoms in the matter are pushing and pulling off the emf.

Atoms are made up of electrons that are negative.
Made up of protons that are positive.
Made up of magnetic north and south polls by way of the electrons.

When the Tesla coils regulate the electrons the frequency, amplitude, and strength of the EMF which propagates thru space by going negative, positive, north, and south push and pull the matter as it passes thru it. Like a magnet going thru a gauss gun.

So as long as the EMF and the matter are both in phase with each other with respect of the frequency, amplitude, and strength of the emf and the electrons are controlled with the Tesla coils the matter shoots thru the EMF like a magnet going thru a gauss gun because both the matter and the emf are electro-magnetic.

And Again one more time because matter and emf are both electro-magnetic the matter can be shot thru the emf like a magnet going thru a Gauss gun as long as the electrons speed and distance from their atoms are regulated with the Tesla coils with respect to the phase and modulation of the emf.

Im sorry I repeated myself but Im trying to help people understand the complex way this works.

This follows Einsteins theory of how space, gravity, and matter relate to each other. Matter effects space and space effects matter. Here the emf and the Tesla coils simulate how space, gravity, and matter work together. It makes the EMF act like space/gravity in relation to the matter. Its all about the setup as John Hutchinson found out with his experiments. Little did he know what he was experimenting with.

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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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This is completely unphysical nonsense. External electric fields have completely predictable effects on charges in matter. Classically they create polarization and in common material dielectric effects. This explains how a lens works, but nothing about gravity.

There is no relation to gravity---which involves inertia, and works on uncharged particles including photons in free space.

The Gravity Probe B has measured extraordinarily tiny frame-dragging effects from general relativity, and this extreme precision was observed despite being subject to large and changing electric and magnetic fields from the Sun and Earth. If there were any significant interaction from these fields, it would have completely overwhelmed the exceptionally tiny signals from the experiment. It did not and Einstein is still 100% correct.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by mbkennel
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This is completely unphysical nonsense. External electric fields have completely predictable effects on charges in matter. Classically they create polarization and in common material dielectric effects. This explains how a lens works, but nothing about gravity.

There is no relation to gravity---which involves inertia, and works on uncharged particles including photons in free space.

The Gravity Probe B has measured extraordinarily tiny frame-dragging effects from general relativity, and this extreme precision was observed despite being subject to large and changing electric and magnetic fields from the Sun and Earth. If there were any significant interaction from these fields, it would have completely overwhelmed the exceptionally tiny signals from the experiment. It did not and Einstein is still 100% correct.
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Don't say such things, remember his words of wisdom, and "just believe".



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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With all due respect, we see people popping up all the time claiming they know how to build an antigravity flying saucer UFO-type machine.

Catch phrase buzz terms like 'free energy' often come hand in hand with it too:

UFO how to build a UFO antigravity Electrogravitic Saucer

Internal workings of one type of UFO

Stan Deyo explains Antigravity propusion

Here's a patent application from 1959 by Otis T Carr, supposedly claiming how to also build a saucer craft: How to build a real UFO (that works?)

There's even members claiming to have worked out how to build a UFO, but frustrated they don't have the means to do so, nor any cooperation from others, they thus conclude (according to them) that ATS sucks: www.abovetopsecret.com...

We see this all the time; How to make your own flying saucer time travelling free energy wonder machine that can also make gold and diamonds.

The Keshe Foundation makes similar claims, but if they can make diamonds with their wonder machine technology, then, why are they asking for money? Why not just sell lots of diamonds until they've got a Trillion $$$ in the bank?

We see it all the time here.

What we never see, however, is a working prototype.
Nope.
Never even a single video of even one small scale proof of concept model.

Another thing --- Is your flying saucer Top Secret, or Confidential? I don't think Top Secret Confidential is a designation. Maybe it's Double Top Secret?


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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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Mention of Tesla: Check
Using the name of someone who makes fantastic claims with never giving proof (Bob): Check
US military (especially Area 51): Check (Double Check)
Claims insider information: Check
Claims to have proof but wont supply it: Check
Asks to just be believed: Check

Well we just went 6/6 on the hoax checklist!
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Thank you for that.





posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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Here is a link to one paper exploring these ideas disclosureproject.org...

Have also come across a few experiments involving very high electrical voltages, +100 000 Volts in which anti gravity properties are achieved. There is still a lot I do not understand about such things and considering the forces involved any mistakes will be very unforgiving, but there is defiantly more to this world than what is currently accepted. You can lead a horse to a book, but you cannot make it read.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Thanks for elaborating! I was thinking of it backward; I think I get the idea now.

I'm still not certain how one would be able to regulate the electrons to stay in phase with the random EMF in space, though...



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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your thread seems to be upsetting the proponents of mainstream science, i like that!

i just downloaded a bunch of stuff about lazar that i haven't reviewed yet so i will be checking back.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by tinhattribunal
your thread seems to be upsetting the proponents of mainstream science, i like that!

i just downloaded a bunch of stuff about lazar that i haven't reviewed yet so i will be checking back.



Upset? Not at all.

It's more amusing than anything.

Some of us are a tough audience, and require much more than some "cool story bro".

If someone says they have PROOF, we want to see it.
Some unverifiable story no matter how may drawings with pseudo scientific high-school science class buzz words thrown in are presented is nowhere near 'proof'.
Anyone can draw up diagrams, or tell a story.
Check the links I provided provided previously. There's plans for building your own flying saucer all over the internet, and they're much more technical than the OPs explanation.
Those plans, however, don't work, unless, of course, you want to try building one yourself to prove everyone wrong?

Lots of us 'main stream science' types would absolutely LOVE to be upset.
Show us a flying saucer. Please!
Build us just a small scale proof of concept working demonstration model.
Everyone would absolutely love to see it.
Claims: check
Actual demonstration: Never happens.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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i have read this man's book, and it is an interesting read on the subject
www.etheric.com...
the book is quite dense in formulas, and as i do not have a degree in physics, it is impossible for me to "check" his work.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
Here is a link to one paper exploring these ideas disclosureproject.org...

Have also come across a few experiments involving very high electrical voltages, +100 000 Volts in which anti gravity properties are achieved. There is still a lot I do not understand about such things and considering the forces involved any mistakes will be very unforgiving, but there is defiantly more to this world than what is currently accepted. You can lead a horse to a book, but you cannot make it read.


It's not about reading, it's also about thinking. There are significant electrical and magnetic fields surrounding stars and planets. If there were direct and significant gravitational interactions then we would have observed optical effects (our telescopes would see the image fluctuate as solar storms went by), and our satellites would have oscillations and fluctuations in their orbit as they go in and out of the magnetosphere.

Until you have a specific, quantitative theory of this hypothesized interaction, and can use it to show why we would NOT have seen such effects in all sorts of known circumstances, and you have suggestive evidence why it is true....nobody who knows physics will believe you, for good reason.

My feeling is that many people who are into these "alternative" physics notions really don't have any idea about the strength and coherence of known experimental facts which science understands and deals deao;u with in the modern world, and the consequences of the heterodox physics---which usually is that all sorts of currently standard procedures and behaviors would be different.

For instance, There is a reason why quantum mechanics is as it is----there are lots of results, and many things fit together. Can you explain the multiplicities of the atomic absorption lines and the Zeeman and Starck effects if you give it up?

Look if we want to start somewhere, let's investigate the system and setting that Martin Tajmar is working on---the interaction of gravitomagnetism (which is NOT magnetic fields, but a mathematical analogy to magnetism applied to the Einsteinian context) and superconductivity. Since we don't have a real theory of quantum gravity, and superconductors are macroscopic quantum states (unlike most everything else) it's the best place to start looking for anomalies.

It's still very controversial and not replicated but at least it touches actual physics.

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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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I always have to laugh a little at the "top secret, classified" claims.

Had one of those in the military (secret clearance) for many years and never read anything out of the ordinary. Its called "A need to know". If you weren't authorized to read about advance propulsion systems then you never read classified material on it. Even the highest ranks were never in the know about everything. Only if it pertained to your field or rank and only then after scrutiny and a need to know basis.

Wikileaks (the latest classified exposure) was because a private that was basically filing away or sorting certain info he had access to, was in the intelligence branch and it was part of his job and duty which he went to school to learn and had an obligation to protect that information but instead he chose to released some of that info to a public site.

He did not have a right to know or to disseminate security documents. He had a job that he was trained for and took an oath to protect. He failed on all attempts.

There is no such thing as a vault where anyone with a clearance can go and read all of the black ops and secrets to pass on to others.

So OP. What is your security clearance, rank, and need to know?

Are you going to tell us that you work for one of the "letter agencies?"

Someone that knows would like a little confirmation.


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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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Build us just a small scale proof of concept working demonstration model.


There are many experiments around demonstrating electrogravitics, here is a small simple example that explains part of the general concept www.alternativkanalen.com... . Start looking into how the B2 Bomber plugs together for some more advanced proofs of concept.





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