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The Hypocrisy of Gun Control Advocates

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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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I have resisted making comment about the horrific shooting and murders in Connecticut for a list of reasons including the fact that no words can significantly address the pain, suffering and damage done to everyone when innocent babies are murdered. There can be no justice except for God's Judgement and I expect this maniac and his mother who made the weapons accessible are even now sitting in a special place outside of Hades that awaits them. Additionally, I am of a mind that those responsible for the care and protection of those children will also have some accountability, if not in this life, then in the hereafter.

First and foremost, I am one who firmly believes in God the Creator and his being the Great Leveler and Administer of Justice, always in his own time.

Now, as for the subject of gun control, the 2nd Amendment, our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

We are a nation of Free People as never before seen on this planet and if our enemies continue to have their way, our Republic will fade into the history books where the devils will again twist and hide the truth about what was and what made this great nation.

Even now, our enemies, the Luciferians, the Humanists, the Godless, the Marxist Globalist Collectivist Devils and their Minions scheme, manipulate and push forward creating and using every opportunity to undermine and destroy our foundation, our Constitution. Now, the one piece, one bearer that stands in their way to a completing the overthrow and destruction of our Constitutional Republic is the 2nd Amendment and the ability of Americans to protect and defend themselves.

The 2nd Amendment was never about hunting, it was always about the rights of Americans to defend themselves from a Tyrannical Government, as said very well by Suzanna Gratia in this hearing:


If this school where these innocent babies and people were murdered had had armed citizens on the premises, I question whether this nut Adam Lanza would have been so bold if he had known there were people at the school who could and would defend themselves. I know this, if I had been there and had been armed, I would have stopped him...no question about it.

I must also add that after having read the bio on Adam Lanza; it is disturbing that many here remind me of him.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Okay, currently I own three firearms. Two .22LR rifles and a 9mm pistol. I have owned both a .22LR revolver and a .357 revolver in the past but both were legally sold to licensed gun dealers (FFL holders) for resale at their discretion within the law, which include FBI background checks even if I was the one to repurchase them. I have fired various types of handguns and long guns over the years that are owned by either friends or family. In every instance, every shot was made with reasonable care and caution exercised to not hit any human or animal.

In other words, I am a target shooter. Does that make me evil or criminal? Does my hobby infringe or your ability to lead an otherwise healthy and productive life? Must my guns be taken to satisfy your fears and outrage over a situation that you could not control?

And to answer some questions that I am sure to be asked without my questions being answered:

    Can they be used to kill? Yes, they are firearms.
    Could I shoot another human being? Yes, in order to protect my life or the lives of others I could shoot somebody.
    Would I be filled with guilt and remorse over doing so? Probably, even though it was "justified", failing to come to another workable solution might bother me deeply. After all, I have been on the wrong end of .38 before and talked my way out of it. I have also awoke to find a stranger sleeping in my apartment and had a plan of action on how to kill them quickly with my bare hands if I needed to do so...he survived unharmed by my questioning him and realizing he was drunk and made a mistake. He also pleaded for me not to kill him. And I was "haunted by visions" of what his corpse would have looked like had I just killed him without questioning him.
    Why would I have used my bare hands to have killed that guy? Because my guns were unloaded and properly stored. And the time, noise and light required to make one ready to fire meant I would have been vulnerable to attack for a very long period.
    Are my guns currently unloaded and properly stored now? Yes, but I do keep a loaded magazine near (but not inside) the pistol. Previously I did not keep my magazines loaded and the ammo was stored separately.
    Aren't I worried about a child or another person finding my guns, loading and accidentally shooting themselves or someone else? I do not have children and I still live alone. It is possible someone could break in and steal them, but they are not stored in obvious places.


Bottom line: If you don't want guns, then don't own one. But don't let someone else's irresponsibility and/or criminal actions with guns coupled with your own personal desires cloud your judgement of me and my intentions. I am not a professional shooter nor do I belong to a gun club like the NRA or Isaac Walton, me it is just a hobby that I enjoy. However, I am a professional driver and I see irresponsible driving behavior every single day. The kind that will get others injured or killed. I do wish they would learn to become better drivers through classwork and instruction as I have. But I don't advocate removing their driving privileges and impounding their cars although I would feel safer if they did.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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OK, I'm a godless humanist. I'm a fan of Marx and Engels for trying to think of a way to prevent the selfish nature of homo sapiens wreaking havoc. I'm not out to get you or anyone else. I'm all for having guns for protection, collection, and sport (I'm a vegetarian, but I like to shoot from the hip). Please, don't make groups of people your enemies due to preconceived notions.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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the Marxist Globalist Collectivist Devils and their Minions scheme


in the last 100 years, the catholic church has supported marxism more than fascism. but i think that's only while trying to overthrow the country in question, and it usually only manifests publically, from the desire to feed the hungry and give medical aid to the sick or injured. so they toss in with the marxists in that they best approximate the ideology they are after, albeit under less than ideal conditions.

they do seem to be supportive of fascism as well, but then again, it seems because of the socialism aspect they share in common, as they don't like to take a backseat to other leaders, be they religious or political.

so theoretically, you could state, that the rcc is socialist in function and will assist in the spread of socialism where possible, particularly as it relates to globalism. they believe they are the mother church of all religions on the planet, and that the pope and papacy, are the real rulers of the planet. they are both a political and religious institution, with ties to some big money guys (for the obvious reason that they have amassed the gold and wealth of countries all over the globe for the last 2000 years). all this other stuff, is smoke screen and the various machinery you see in action, politically, is ultimately engineered in rome (yes even the muslim stuff).

regarding adam lanza, you realize doncha that he was autistic? autistic people are not working with the same deck the rest of the planet works with. that doesn't mean they are all potential mass murderers, just that under the right circumstances, they are just as likely to have extreme reactions as any other person suffering with a brain injury/illness. and that (autism) is, in effect, a brain injury. people don't understand mental illness well enough yet to pass hellfire judgement on the mentally ill. most mentally ill people never hurt anyone and many autistic people are just very sweet people.

lets not start beating the "burn them at the stake" drums.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Well stated Magic. s& f.
no one ever (msm) mentions mind/mood control psycho tropics.
my prayers and sympathies to all at Sandy Hook - God bless.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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I mean...after watching this video...I dunno, I thought I knew where I stood but, it's stuff like this that just makes me question my opinions on gun control, socialist reform, etc...I just don't know anymore.

This guy's daughter's death...I can't even imagine.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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It's a tragic incident that occurred but Conneticut has the 5th best State Gun Control laws in the Country.


To buy a gun, Connecticut law requires residents:

apply for a local permit, typically with the town’s police chief,

have their fingerprints taken

and submit to a state and federal background check with a 14-day waiting period.

To buy a handgun, residents also are required to take a gun safety course.

The state is also one of seven to have an assault weapons ban that specifically lists more than 35 semiautomatic and automatic weapons.

It does not appear to cover the .223 caliber rifle used in Friday’s attack.


There are no laws that prevent crazy people from doing heinous things, unless you want to bring back institutions for the criminally insane again.

I never hear of the mass murder shooter who was a normal sane person that followed all the gun laws in their community. It's always the person everyone says "You know, something just wasn't right about him". It's more a mental health issue to me than it is a further gun control issue. It seems mentally unstable people can still buy guns, ammunition and body armor.....something about our background check system must really suck for that to happen. It seems like if people got more intervention for these mass murderers earlier, these tragedies might have been avoided completely.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by MagicWand67
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This was posted on another thread Here

14,000 knife victims a year


Knife violence in Britain is far worse than official statistics suggest, with almost 14,000 people taken to hospital for injuries caused by knives and other sharp weapons last year.


Why aren't people banning knives in the UK?


Answer : because if i get attacked with a knife, at least i have a chance to defend myself, if i'm up against a coward with a gun, i will die.....that's why
And also i need knife's to eat my dinner, cut my meat etc. what other use do you need your gun for? Exept for killing that is. Please enlighten me.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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what other use do you need your gun for? Exept for killing that is. Please enlighten me.


There are 15 Olympic events that involve shooting guns.

People use guns to hunt and provide food for their families.

A gun can be used as a deterrent to stop a crime without being fired.

Guns are used for target shooting. Fun and recreation.

Protection for people and livestock from wild animals.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by MagicWand67
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There are 15 Olympic events that involve shooting guns.

People use guns to hunt and provide food for their families.

A gun can be used as a deterrent to stop a crime without being fired.

Guns are used for target shooting. Fun and recreation.

Protection for people and livestock from wild animals.



And three of those four are valid reasons as to why you can LEGALLY own a gun in the UK. Your point isn't very valid.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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I want to share an article I just read.

Here is a good example of the other discussions that we should be taking into consideration.

In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.



No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

I agree that something must be done. It’s time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That’s the only way our nation can ever truly heal.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by MagicWand67
Why are people so quick to blame guns? Why not society as a whole? Is it because they do not want to accept any personal responsibility for the problem? They will say, "We need to ban guns". Yet they will say, "support our troops". They will buy themselves and their children the latest "Call of Duty" or other FPS video game and the most violent and vulgar music CD's. They

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Okay, moving on to my next point. Drunk driving is illegal. Yet it is responsible for the deaths of more people in the USA than gun violence does. How come those same anti-gun people aren't out there trying to get stricter alcohol control or trying to ban alcohol all together? Why are bartenders and liquor stores required to run a background check on people to see if they have prior convictions for DUI's and alcohol related crimes?

A gun is a WEAPON. Its sole purpose is literally to inflict catastrophic damage. Alcohol is a stimulant. Its purpose is to alter your mood. The distinction is obvious and your analogy is way off-base.

Look, I'm not saying that drunk driving isn't a problem. It obviously is. But Adam Lanza (well, his mother) was able to LEGALLY own a gun that blew through a security system and slaughtered 26 people in a matter of minutes. Constitutional amendment be damned -- there is something seriously wrong with citizens having the right to possess something that frivolously powerful.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Your point isn't very valid.


What do you think my point is?

Why isn't it valid?

I have said many times I support strong gun control laws.

I have also said that my OP is directed at people who want to ban guns completely.

YOUR POINT IS INVALID




posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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I am in the UK, But i would say DO NOT ACCEPT REPEAL of the 2nd Amendment.
Even if they do repeal it from the constitution keep hold of your firearms and stock up now.

The UK is going to sh*t right now and i assume the USA is in as bad a condition socioeconomically.
Communities have been divided and fragmented, everyone lives week to week or month to month by their pay cheques and most people have been duped in to getting debit/credit cards.
Most food sources are Supermarkets and Markets/Local Shops so everything is set nicely for mass hysteria when the Economy is tanked.
I have a feeling Dec 21st will be economic meltdown, this will cause a Planet wide mass awakening as opposed to Niburu. A Rapture, Pole Shift, Aliens or a download of consciousness.

Even if they do not crash it on Dec 21st they will certainly crash the Economy before Dec 23rd 2013 as that is when the Federal Reserve 100 year control of the US money supply ends.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by MagicWand67
I suspect, with your attitude, you won't be making any valid points.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Good day sir

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...! I's hunting wabbits ...with my AK-47.

Good gay, ma'am.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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AK-47's are already illegal.

Try to contribute something besides your ignorance.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by uprising2freedom
I am in the UK, But i would say DO NOT ACCEPT REPEAL of the 2nd Amendment.
Even if they do repeal it from the constitution keep hold of your firearms and stock up now.

The UK is going to sh*t right now and i assume the USA is in as bad a condition socioeconomically.
Communities have been divided and fragmented, everyone lives week to week or month to month by their pay cheques and most people have been duped in to getting debit/credit cards.


Yes, if only the UK had horrendous mass shootings of innocent men, women, and children every other month. Maybe things would be better there. Lord knows it solved all our problems over here in America.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Mental illness is a major problem around the world and the treatment for it needs to be improved. The reason it's more difficult to focus any policy debates around that topic is because guns are commodities, not psychological states. They can be regulated, those regulations can be enforced, and people will not have guns in their hands. It's much easier (and remotely feasible) to disarm sociopaths than to lobotomize them (especially, as is often the case, when they are functioning adults who have no criminal or medical history).

The other reason there are less debates about mental illness after these incidents is because no one on the planet was ever pro-mental-illness, but there are millions of people who are still pro-guns even after this calamity.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Long Lance


Could you list some comparable killing sprees carried out with a knife or a bat? You seem to be pretty convinced this is possible.


you wish is my command:

edition.cnn.com...


Why is it pro-gun advocates always link this without reading. 22 injured as opposed to 26 dead. You've just defeated your point entirely.



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident
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OK, I'm a godless humanist. I'm a fan of Marx and Engels for trying to think of a way to prevent the selfish nature of homo sapiens wreaking havoc. I'm not out to get you or anyone else. I'm all for having guns for protection, collection, and sport (I'm a vegetarian, but I like to shoot from the hip). Please, don't make groups of people your enemies due to preconceived notions.
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Either you have not read Karl Marx or the Lucifer Trust doctrines and are simply just another ignorant brainwashed guppy or you are in fact an enemy of humanity and have bought into all the Globalist-Agenda 21-Eugenics crap that the Zionists and their allies have been perfectly and feeding humanity for hundred and to some extents, thousands of years. Which ever the case, the odds are you are fertilizer to those you would serve and if you knew a fraction of what you should know, you should drop to your knees and beg Saturn to save you.... nit that it would work but it will maybe give you an idea of just how deep and dark that rabbit hole goes.

I will go on to tell you that Humanity is not a fraction as important, help or threat to this planet as many would like to believe...we are but flees on this dog and when it has had enough it will roll over and reshuffle the deck, at it has many times before....the Mayans say 4 times before in the history of man on this planet.

I am not up for giving a crash course in realty but let me lay a stone by saying Man Made Global Warming is a Farce, as is overpopulation and the concept that man can destroy this planet... the Creator chuckles.






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