Am I the only one who smells a rat in CT?, page 7

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reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 02:25 PM by THCinformant

I agree with you op, this is bad times we live in here man, bad times indeed.

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 03:19 PM by votan

reply to post by herrw

any time there is a ruling against gun control somewhere some how there is a shooting.. I do smell a rat. ... more than one actually

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 04:44 PM by dogstar23

Originally posted by herrw
I listened as the drama unfolded in CT, and as others seemed to be horrified by the news I tried to be horrified as well, but couldn't. I tried imagining my own son in that situation, or my three-year-old goddaughter, but the unreality of it wouldn't allow me to feel anything appropriate. In times like these, I analyze myself, to try to understand why I might feel the way I do. That's when it hit me: there is something very wrong here.

Think about it for a moment. This is perfect timing for a horrific event. We're gearing up for what is nominally considered to be the happiest time of the year. Children are extatic over the prospect of a tree loaded with presents. Carols fill the air. Then, suddenly, there's a horrific event to shock us numb.

I've felt this way before. I felt this way when the news of the young black girl being pummelled by white republicans was released. I just knew that, within a day or less, it would turn out to be a hoax. And it was. I felt this way with Tawana Brawley (sp?) when the wild claims started circulating. I didn't feel this way about Columbine, or Waco, or any of the other horrific deaths which have occurred and grabbed the public conciousness.

So what do I know that I'm not telling myself?

I know that two brothers attacked a school in Newville, CT.
I know that one of them gained entry to the locked school.
I know that their mother worked there with special-needs children.
I know that their girlfriends were being saught in a purple van.
I know that one of their girlfriends was reported as being dressed in a nun's habit.
I know that it's christmas.
I know that Hollywood is currently spewing unending rants in favor of gun-control.
I know that NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME FOR SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

That last one is in caps, because it's the reason I'm waiting to feel anything. I can smell it. I can taste it. I can see it approaching like a leech stretching across the mud towards my leg. Am I the only one?

I would further like to ask the mod's permission to allow anti-me rants in this thread. If you need someone to rail at about this, lamblast me. Not only can I take it, but I won't take it personally. Let fly, to release the angst, so that we can all figure this out together.

But no matter how loudly you scream, or how many all-caps messages you leave, it won't change this feeling.

Something is very, very wrong.

Not arguing the point of your post at all (though your invite to rant against you made it tempting to play devil's advocate just for the fun of it

), but, careful with that list of things you "know" (or any attempt to claim to "know" anything.) several items on your list now seem to not be true.

Again, not arguing your points, but listing "known knowns" which turn out to not be true can slice into your credibility. That's my only point. Otherwise, well, yep. I'm with ya.

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 04:58 PM by Tikitiboo

Are there any big shocking sad events/killings that dont get called conspiracies anymore. im starting to think the fact that every event that happens is labelled a conspiracy might be a conspiracy. can it be possible that no large event/disaster was for real, no conspiracy? i even feel from day to day that something bad is going to happen, i dont know why i feel like this, i dont know why we all feel like this, its mabye the 2010 talk, but right now with the big date looming even though nothing will happen, we still cant help feeling something is going to happen, but on this shooting my personnal view is it isnt a conspiracy, just a sad tragic thing

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 05:19 PM by cavtrooper7

I hear Lanza left no footprint internet wiseThis again appears strange.

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 05:31 PM by dogstar23

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
I hear Lanza left no footprint internet wiseThis again appears strange.

That probably depends on the definition of "no footprint." if it simply means no Facebook, blogs, message boards, or twit-er, its not uncommon. If it means no email, no internet usage, etc., well, unless you're a straight wilderness type, living off the land and conserving your diesel-powered generator for more important things, then it is very strange for a 20-year old who isn't homeless and a serious junkie.

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 06:04 PM by caranw

Let's just say I believe something is odd about this situation. Granted I am pro-gun. So a month ago we elected the anti-gun president, judging by his past comments on the campaign trail both in 08 and now. And within the past couple of weeks, there have been soooooooooooooo many anti-gun TV programs. Believe me, I am pro-gun so I can't help but notice. And the anti-gun crusade is on Facebook. And Twitter. And every freakin where I go these days. Bob Costas was ranting about guns. Piers Morgan almost every nite for the past 2 weeks has had guests on, and boy has he been very rude to anyone who suggests people kill people, not guns. And Mayor Bloomberg of NYC has been on his high horse about guns. Then there was that mall shooting. And now this. I had to turn off the TV the other day because someone was ranting about guns right after that mall shooting. I was getting nauseated watching anti-gun after anti-gun after anti-gun rants from the media. I turned to my friend the night before this tragedy and said sarcastically, oh watch, there's going to be some big shootup in the next week or so that'll top this off and gone will be our guns. It's like watching a movie where you just know how it's going to end. It's just very odd. And let me close with I am very sad for those caught up in this awful whirlwind.

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 07:35 PM by Sphota

reply to post by Tikitiboo

Well, of course you're talking about the two semantic identities of the word "conspiracy"

One is its authentic meaning and one is its extended meaning that tends to be the meaning intended in most situations where the word is used, even here on this site.

It actually does not serve anyone's arguments to use the word conspiracy, because it seems that even the posters, to some extent, intend the second meaning.

Conspiracy:

(1) Original meaning - two or more people (or entities) aspiring and working towards an action or goal together, usually in a deceptive or strategic way.

(2) Extended meaning - fantastical machinations that are almost impossible-to-plan (because of time, involvement of too many people, technical limitation or all of the above) that are formulated by not necessarily more than one person, which attempt to explain what otherwise would seem like terribly convenient or fortuitous coincidences or non-sequiturs.

Conspiracies in the true, original sense of the word are happening all around you all day long. Some vulgar and banal examples of conspiracies in your everyday life or in your community:

-Two male friends approaching two female friends at a bar deciding beforehand who will be talking to whom.
-Two siblings deciding how to tell the story of the broken TV to mom.
-Two married people devising a way to be alone away from their respective spouses for intimacy.
-Two neighbors developing a passive-agressive strategy to get rid of a noisy neighbor.
-A police unit devising a secret entrapment for some drug ring.
-A city official and a prominent businessperson having closed door meetings with quid pro quos, plotting the sale of city land for a commercial purpose.

Conspiracy theory, at face value, should only signify a set of plausible circumstances that can be tested or recreated to show that perhaps two or more people were in cahoots for X purpose or goal.

reply posted on 16-12-2012 @ 11:28 PM by 5K3P7IC41

NATO is probably just antsy about the fact American citizens have assault rifles. I bet there weren't even any children killed.

I'd almost be willing to bet it's all fake.

It is awful nice and neat.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 01:29 AM by salainen

Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by Tikitiboo

Well, of course you're talking about the two semantic identities of the word "conspiracy"

One is its authentic meaning and one is its extended meaning that tends to be the meaning intended in most situations where the word is used, even here on this site.

You do realise though that the second extended meaning actually fits within the first meaning. As in any example of the extended meaning does still fit the original meaning as well.

reply posted on 17-12-2012 @ 12:13 PM by herrw

reply to post by dogstar23

You're right. I know nothing from first-hand experience, but rather from flawed reporting. I offer appropriate contrition.

reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:10 AM by keywestatl

With (jf true) both fathers involved in LIBOR and the reporter who broke the stories children supposedly killed by their Nanny, maybe TPTB have shown their hand and 2012 will bring a revelation!

reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:47 AM by Taggart

reply to post by keywestatl

But there is no proof that either are involved in any LIBOR connection.

reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:49 AM by SMOKINGGUN2012

You have not seen anything yet until you see this........

Video of a guy that found 6 children in his front yard that ran from the school.
usnews.nbcnews.com...
The same guy on Nancy Grace last night.
www.hlntv.com...

Notice any differences? The story changed from 6 kids and 2 guns to.......A very loud man talking to them and he thought it was a play.......and NOW he says the 2 little boys were talking about a big gun and a small gun......and sound like they were talking in a pressured way. This is just unbelievable.......

2 things you need to know here.......there was a large gun used with many rounds and there was only 1 shooter......that is what you are supposed to think.........

Before I ask again about the guy in the woods......what if they saw a guy with 2 handguns and the other guy was using the AR-15??

These are just a few of the MANY anomalies I have found.

reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:54 AM by SMOKINGGUN2012

Check out these videos.......

www.businessinsider.com...

Now the police may have detained someone but that cop lied when he said nobody else was arrested. Him saying there was only one shooter and nobody else was arrested does not explain who they were or what happened to them. Put an ad on tv and ask the person who was chased into the woods to come forward. Also don't forget there were reports of his girlfriend and another person missing. Oh and it is also on the radio recordings the police were chasing someone and had them detained. I have a radio recording of a police officer actually reporting the name of a person he was detaining and it turned out to be the father coming to the school to help make gingerbread houses. I seriously doubt the father would run into the forest so that was not him.

Also......

Maybe the officer can explain this ABC news video saying STATE POLICE CONFIRM 2 SHOOTERS

www.youtube.com...

reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:56 AM by SMOKINGGUN2012

I forgot to add......somone needs to call the FBI and have them take over immediately......ALL reporters need to be told if they interview ANYONE they will instantly become part of the investigation and they better not be reporting false info.

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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 09:28 AM by SMOKINGGUN2012

Maybe this error could be explained......From here at 15:00
www.telegraph.co.uk...

15.00 (10.00) USA Today said they had interviewed a very traumatized school nurse from Sandy Hook, who described how the gunman walked into her office and looked her straight in the eye. She then was said to have ducked under the desk before he then inexplicably turned around and walked out.
She also said she knew the suspect's mother, Nancy, describing her as an "absolutely loving, caring kindergarten teacher."

Then there is this:
www.nypost.com...

(School nurse Sarah)Cox held her breath when she heard someone open her office door. Through the openings of the desk, she saw a pair of legs from the knees down wearing dark clothing and boots. “I could see by the position of the feet that they were facing my desk,” Cox said, describing her brush with Lanza... Cox said he was no more than 20 feet away from her. “The person was there just a few seconds,” Cox said. ... “He turned around and walked out....”
When she learned Lanza’s identity, she could not recall him being a student at the school.

Here is a video she claims they were in a closet for 4 hours.

connecticut.cbslocal.com...

Video she says she met eyes with shooter and he spared her:
www.wkyc.com...

Ok so did she hide under the desk or in a closet for 4 hours???
What the hell is going on.........

reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:03 AM by SMOKINGGUN2012

Then there is this......news report of 4 handguns in the school......State and Feds told them 4 .......

www.youtube.com...

Then there is this......

Three armed women teachers shot Adam Lanza in a classroom

jonrappoport.wordpress.com...

It is very strange it has that title but then the story never mentions the teachers shooting him BUT.......
What if the report of 4 guns is true? 2 shooter 1 each for teachers?

Forgot to mention......it has been reported ......one of the victim's ......I think the Vice Principal......Was shot in the foot and hand.......Think about that.......shot in the foot? That sounds to me like self defense wounds as they were trying to take his gun or guns away..........

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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:22 AM by SMOKINGGUN2012

Just reported on FOXNEWS......a 25 year old former Marine says the kid was mad that his mom cared more about the kids at school she volunteered for than him and that he saw that court papers that she was preparing to have him committed.......How does your kool aid taste folks??? We now have motive........

reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:54 PM by herrw

I reserve judgement. We need undeniably verifiable proof of perjury. I still say something is very very wrong.

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