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Ban the Gun, Repeal the Second Amendment.

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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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reply to post by Fireman205253
 


dude i agree with you wholeheartedly. i mean look at socialism, national socialism, communism.




posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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You are welcome to your uninformed opinions of the matter. Just don't expect us to take them seriously. You live on a tiny little island, the US is way more diverse. We have large wooded areas, larger than your whole country where people live, filled with all kinds of dangerous animals.

Same story with Canada, guns laws are pretty similar, and is diverse like the US.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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A regular citizen has no need for an an assault rifle. What purpose does owning one serve?


Because they want one. Just like I would want a PS3 for christmas. Probably 70% of the things that I buy (apart from food/petrol etc) I buy simply because I want to, there is no greater or deeper purpose than that. In fact, apart from food, water, shelter and safety, there is nothing else that we "need"; our society is built mostly around things that we want. There's a good argument that there is far more "need" for an assault rifle than for a TV or computer - safety is the second step in Maslow's heirarchy, right after basic bodily needs.

Some might say that firearms were designed to kill. Well, superglue was designed to patch people up in combat and space blankets were designed to insulate spacecraft. Owning them is not going to turn you into a combat medic or an astronaught, though. Millions of people handle firearms (including assault rifles) safely and for many recreational reasons without ever hurting or even intending to hurt someone. If someone wants one for self defence then I have no issue with that either.

"Because I want to" is a very good reason. For someone else to restrict it just because they do not want to is appalling.


Private dealers can sell guns at a gun show without doing a background check.


True. Here I suppose there might be an issue with restriction of private transactions, but I appreciate the concerns people have with it.


Guns are easily purchased online - even at walmart.com!


Go ahead and try to buy one. If I was a gambling man I would put very good money on the fact that you will still need to go through all the same checks as you need to go through in store. In fact you will probably need to collect it from the store anyway.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Look I will always take it personal when a person from another country tells me about my own. I don't have a problem with opinions, however arguing that they are right and we are wrong, i have an issue. ATS is a great place to share your opinions, however atleast be a little more educated on the subject than just saying guns kill people. And saying all Americans are to immature to own firearms. That is a ridiculous statement. They don't live here and they don't know, come to where I live, I promise you will see a different side of gun ownership than is played out by the news.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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No sir you are ignorant. This thread deals with the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. Which was a direct result of 230 years ago. Redcoat is just as ignorant as calling us Rednecks



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Fireman205253
reply to post by boymonkey74
 


Look I will always take it personal when a person from another country tells me about my own. I don't have a problem with opinions, however arguing that they are right and we are wrong, i have an issue.


Don't assume everyone who is not in the US is anti-gun. Our thoughts on the matter can be very useful because we have gone through the kind of backlash and restrictions that are being discussed now. We didn't have the benefit of the Constitution, of course, which is where you have better standing.

We might bring some opinions to the table but we can also bring actual experience as well.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Opinions are welcomed. And I know not everyone is anti gun in other countries. And you are right we have a Constitution, something alot more important to me than anyones opinion, yours or mine.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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I disagree with guns, that is my opinion If it was up to me I would get rid of every gun on the planet,(Can't happen I know) but did I call you immature? no.
My son lives with his Mother in New York and is an American citizen so I do have an interest what happens in the US.
But please stop with the silly stuff like "You Redcoats" and "You are not free" etc because it doesn't wash.
I understand the need for guns in the US, all I'm suggesting is better checks and maybe not selling guns that fire 600 rnds per minute.
I have changed my mind since yesterday because like many here I was mad and angry at what happened but after talking and reading to many intelligent people from the USA they helped me understand why you think you need guns.
Just do not start being boarderline racist because we on our tiny Island do not understand your needs. (Not you but others).



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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What gun can we get that fires 600 rounds a minute without bribing people, I mean purchasing expensive licenses?



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Just do not start being boarderline racist because we on our tiny Island do not understand your needs. (Not you but others).


I had a friend from Europe say the same thing to me. I will do my best to remember that Europeans have their way of doing things for their own reasons. Please remember, so do we Americans.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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I never called you a redneck In fact I have not name called here, If others have I apologise but you should just ignore them, do not retaliate with name calling of your own.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Come on you know that was just an example etc, I mean fully auto assault rifles etc.
Whats the point eh I come here to try and have an intelligent chat and maybe learn something but I get attacked.
Goodnight all sweet dreams.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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The 2nd ammedment was meant to place the common man is the same century(militarily speaking) as our soldiers...

The 2nd ammendment is not at the end of the day about personal protection, it is to retain the right to remove, by force if needed, a government that is trampling on the people.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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Agreed and what happened yesterday makes me mad too. I have kids, one the same age as the ones that died. But, law abiding gun owners and people who commit the unthinkable, shouldn't be in the same arguement. I will not say redcoat again, if i no longer hear redneck. The term doesn't bother me, but I know it's meant in a negative way, so I felt the need to pull the redcoat card. Sorry to upset, but a man with a gun committing a crime, shouldnt be in an argument to take away rights of law abiding gun owners.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Can your PS3 or TV be used to seriously harm someone?

As far the online buying statement, I was simply showing how easy it can be to buy guns/ammo online (even via Wal-Mart). Didn't the Aurora shooter buy many of his ammo/etc online?



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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you should go to america, become a citizen, buy a gun and give it away so you can know about trying to buy one. i got one earlier in the year, and where i live, it's easy but still takes an hour to easily buy one. it costs where i live $200 plus to get a fully automatic weapons liscense. we have good regulations on guns. no school shootings, or mall shootings in switzerland beacuse everyone carries guns with them. it's not like people who own guns will eventually go freakin nuts when they buy a gun. look at jack the ripper, if annie oakley was in whitechapel during her stay jack the ripper would have been a rumor but prostitutes needed to die
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Come on you know that was just an example etc, I mean fully auto assault rifles etc.


They are hard (well, expensive) to buy legally. Civilians are not allowed to purchase a full auto weapon made after 1986(?), so there is high demand for a very limited number of remaining firearms - with a big price tag attached thanks to the miracle of supply and demand.

Did you know that the AR15 (the "assault rifle" you are probably talking about in relation to the topic of the thread) is legal to own in the UK with one minor tweak? We even have a very talented gunsmith in the UK who makes them and there are several major competitions based around them.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by SweetChild
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I haven't met a so-called "responsible" gun owner yet. They're all wannabe heroes looking for a gun fight. They're the ones that need guns the least! Imagine how much worse it would be if some idiot whipped out a gun and started shooting back. Yeah, more bullets flying; more people dead. That would have really make things better.


Out of all the gun owners in the US, I'm pretty sure the few you have met are a very small proportion of the actual number of owners, and you having never met what is, in your opinion, a responsible one, well, that doesn't really say very much.

Lumping everyone into the group of "all are wannabe heroes," is quite fallacious.

I know several gun owners. I know some who collect guns for the sake of collecting and never use them, some who are simply hunters, and only one who might (used to) be considered a "wannabe hero." This is not about the wild west mentality.

But yeah, plenty of people who do own guns should not own guns (and i personally know at least one, who, as a self-proclaimed responsible gun own, accidentally shoot and kill another person).

Of course, if you live in an open-carry state, or in a deep ethnic section of a major city, i can see on what you might base your opinion. In the former, while the mentality might exist, the actual wild-west bullets flying scenario seems to rarely happen--because it seems the owners, even though gun-ho [sic] enthusiasts, as responsible.



For the record, i am not a gun owner, i am liberal, but i believe in the right to keep and bear arms.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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I think you are uninformed then. The "assault rifles" the common folk can get are semi automatic, not automatic. To even own a fully auto, you literally need to bribe people, by buying an expensive license, then also have the money to pay 100 times the cost to manufacture one, to buy the gun itself.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by ffman
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Can your PS3 or TV be used to seriously harm someone?


Everything can be used to seriously harm someone. Whether it is or not is entirely down to the person holding it. I seem to recall that Professor Plum once killed someone in the library with the candlestick...



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